Smoking Ban, Part.........
Dec 8th 2010, 7:53 am
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Why is that surprising? I think it would be surprising if the majority would support to be exposed to toxic, smelly fumes.
Dec 8th 2010, 8:15 am
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The suggestion that only the very rich and the very poor can afford to have children rings true; I wonder if perversely the same applies to smoking? The increase in tuition fees is a total disgrace and can only be intended to preclude the poorer from higher education; the savings for the government are so small they don’t even register on any economic scale.
I read of a survey of single mothers, the majority of whom smoked, and they argued that their reduced circumstances did not allow them the ordinary pleasures and they needed one calming vice to cope.
It may indeed be a calming vice to some vulnerable people, perhaps in the same way as alcohol, and both of them are unhealthy. So is worrying about it.
I read of a survey of single mothers, the majority of whom smoked, and they argued that their reduced circumstances did not allow them the ordinary pleasures and they needed one calming vice to cope.
It may indeed be a calming vice to some vulnerable people, perhaps in the same way as alcohol, and both of them are unhealthy. So is worrying about it.
Dec 8th 2010, 8:38 am
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The increased future earnings and job opportunities are what MOST people go to uni for.
It seems a bit daft to me, an un-uni educated person, to wast x number of years goint to uni to learn more about the world, there are better ways to do that,( travelling and the local library spring to mind) not to mention taking the place of another who wants that place on the course to be able to increase their future job prospects.
Lots of people today (including myself) regularly work 84 hours a week.
Why shouldn't people invest in their own future? The fees are only paid back once you earn £21k so it doesn't prevent anybody from going to university.
Student numbers are ever increasing & rising fees won't stop people going to uni.
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I dont know anyone who works 84 hours a week, thats 14 hours a day for 6 days a week, there are laws against that!
I am of the opinion that education is a right not a luxury. I went to uni to improve my knowledge of the world, increasing my salary potential was a secondary thing.You tell people who come from modest backgrounds that they will leave uni with 50k of debts and they wont go, making Britain even more classist and elite then it already is. Unicef say Britian is the most unequal country in the world with very few people ever breaching the gap between the elite and the "peasants", just look at the ConDem cabinet to see that, all old money.
And £21k is not a high wage for many graduates who will have to go to London to get a job (like I did). So add in another 9% on top of already high taxes and not much is left over. It costs £500-£700 a month just to rent out a room in a shared flat in London. It is only now (at the age of 30) that my friends have been able to live in a 1 bed flat or studio with their partners. It is no suprise that none of my friends have even been able to think about having children yet, and if they leave it much longer, it may be too late. There is a saying in London that only the very rich or the very poor have children, from my experience that is true, and that stinks!
Why shouldn't people invest in their own future? The fees are only paid back once you earn £21k so it doesn't prevent anybody from going to university.
Student numbers are ever increasing & rising fees won't stop people going to uni.
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I dont know anyone who works 84 hours a week, thats 14 hours a day for 6 days a week, there are laws against that!
I am of the opinion that education is a right not a luxury. I went to uni to improve my knowledge of the world, increasing my salary potential was a secondary thing.You tell people who come from modest backgrounds that they will leave uni with 50k of debts and they wont go, making Britain even more classist and elite then it already is. Unicef say Britian is the most unequal country in the world with very few people ever breaching the gap between the elite and the "peasants", just look at the ConDem cabinet to see that, all old money.
And £21k is not a high wage for many graduates who will have to go to London to get a job (like I did). So add in another 9% on top of already high taxes and not much is left over. It costs £500-£700 a month just to rent out a room in a shared flat in London. It is only now (at the age of 30) that my friends have been able to live in a 1 bed flat or studio with their partners. It is no suprise that none of my friends have even been able to think about having children yet, and if they leave it much longer, it may be too late. There is a saying in London that only the very rich or the very poor have children, from my experience that is true, and that stinks!
It seems a bit daft to me, an un-uni educated person, to wast x number of years goint to uni to learn more about the world, there are better ways to do that,( travelling and the local library spring to mind) not to mention taking the place of another who wants that place on the course to be able to increase their future job prospects.
Dec 8th 2010, 8:49 am
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The increased future earnings and job opportunities are what MOST people go to uni for.
It seems a bit daft to me, an un-uni educated person, to wast x number of years goint to uni to learn more about the world, there are better ways to do that,( travelling and the local library spring to mind) not to mention taking the place of another who wants that place on the course to be able to increase their future job prospects.
Says someone who obviously never went to university.
I think you misunderstand why universities were founded and what they stand for.
Have a look at the degrees Oxbridge and the red brick unis offer, except for law and medicine, the rest are mainly about satisfying a thurst for knowledge e.g. the classics, the sciences, philiosophy, none of which are particularly relevant for a job (unless you go into scientific research), and nor should they be!
The amount of intelligence and learning needed for most jobs, even graduate ones is tiny.
The increased future earnings and job opportunities are what MOST people go to uni for.
It seems a bit daft to me, an un-uni educated person, to wast x number of years goint to uni to learn more about the world, there are better ways to do that,( travelling and the local library spring to mind) not to mention taking the place of another who wants that place on the course to be able to increase their future job prospects.
I think you misunderstand why universities were founded and what they stand for.
Have a look at the degrees Oxbridge and the red brick unis offer, except for law and medicine, the rest are mainly about satisfying a thurst for knowledge e.g. the classics, the sciences, philiosophy, none of which are particularly relevant for a job (unless you go into scientific research), and nor should they be!
The amount of intelligence and learning needed for most jobs, even graduate ones is tiny.
Dec 8th 2010, 9:13 am
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Re: Smoking Ban, Part.........
I dont think 90% would be in favour around here.
9% maybe.
9% maybe.
Dec 8th 2010, 9:19 am
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Says someone who obviously never went to university.
I think you misunderstand why universities were founded and what they stand for.
Have a look at the degrees Oxbridge and the red brick unis offer, except for law and medicine, the rest are mainly about satisfying a thurst for knowledge e.g. the classics, the sciences, philiosophy, none of which are particularly relevant for a job (unless you go into scientific research), and nor should they be!
The amount of intelligence and learning needed for most jobs, even graduate ones is tiny.
I stand corrected.
Says someone who obviously never went to university.
I think you misunderstand why universities were founded and what they stand for.
Have a look at the degrees Oxbridge and the red brick unis offer, except for law and medicine, the rest are mainly about satisfying a thurst for knowledge e.g. the classics, the sciences, philiosophy, none of which are particularly relevant for a job (unless you go into scientific research), and nor should they be!
The amount of intelligence and learning needed for most jobs, even graduate ones is tiny.
Dec 8th 2010, 9:21 am
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Dec 8th 2010, 9:28 am
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Re: Smoking Ban, Part.........
Do people still do this filthy disgusting habit?
Dec 8th 2010, 9:36 am
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Nothing has been published in the Boletín Oficial del Estado.
So it is doubtful if the law will be ready for the January.
In the mean time here is some news (in Spanish).
This article seems to suggest that the law is going from one parliamentary house to another.
To balance things out, if you are a smoker than maybe this website is for you.
Some of the sstatistics quoted in the postings are from some government bodies, but as we all know figures can be 2adapted" to read what ever message you want to push, be it for smoking, against smoking or even for climate change.
So it is doubtful if the law will be ready for the January.
In the mean time here is some news (in Spanish).
This article seems to suggest that the law is going from one parliamentary house to another.
To balance things out, if you are a smoker than maybe this website is for you.
Some of the sstatistics quoted in the postings are from some government bodies, but as we all know figures can be 2adapted" to read what ever message you want to push, be it for smoking, against smoking or even for climate change.
Dec 8th 2010, 10:24 am
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I'm willing to bet, that very, very few will be staying home in front of the TV, it's all talk. We've seen it in so many other countries, people going to boycott pubs, they'll show us! Give them a week or so of sitting in with the missus and kids, no craic down the pub with their mates, they'll be going up the wall. The smokers won't be missed one bit down the pub, good riddance to them, but they'll be missing the pub, they'll soon be back.
Dec 8th 2010, 10:50 am
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I don’t know, we’ve had some lengthy and heated discussions on the subject in the past and I don’t have any particular views on the subject, but I’ve always found Spain to be a ‘smoking’ country. I was out and about today and it appeared to me that everyone was smoking. I wondered what would happen if the smoking ban forecast for the 2nd January came into effect, and came to the conclusion that the country would shut down completely.
The Guardia Civil would have to be disbandoned; banks would only open for half-an-hour at a time, there would be no taxis, and my barber, who’s British, would probably have to close.
The Guardia Civil would have to be disbandoned; banks would only open for half-an-hour at a time, there would be no taxis, and my barber, who’s British, would probably have to close.
In view of the fact that the country spends more than half of it's time smoking, especially the "workers", I would expect the work rate to double, production to vastly increase, profit margins to go through the roof and the economy to make a dramatic come-back.
Dec 8th 2010, 10:51 am
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The smoking ban won’t affect me personally and I’ll be in my usual haunts in January.
It’s not smokers I try and avoid, it’s hypocrites.
It’s not smokers I try and avoid, it’s hypocrites.
Dec 8th 2010, 2:06 pm
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This report in El País today says that the minister said that "possibly" the law could come into effect on Jan 2, and that they are talking/thinking about booths for addicts, postponement until July and a further increase in the price of tobacco. Another report says that unless there are any changes, and they don't think there will be, it's law from Jan 2.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/opini...pepiopi_10/Tes
So at the moment, it's a definite maybe!
Three weeks to go and still undecided, unbelievable. Pajín is in favour of passing the law as it is proposed, ie without any alterations.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/opini...pepiopi_10/Tes
So at the moment, it's a definite maybe!
Three weeks to go and still undecided, unbelievable. Pajín is in favour of passing the law as it is proposed, ie without any alterations.It has to be said that the PP has been a thorn in the side of the anti-smoking campaign in Spain from the beginning. Examples abound of watering down the original national legislation by regional governments controlled by the PP. Although it seemed that this time the PP had agreed to support the new law in the lower house.
Let's hope that the minister can prevail.
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Dec 8th 2010, 3:28 pm
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I dont know anyone who works 84 hours a week, thats 14 hours a day for 6 days a week, there are laws against that!
I am of the opinion that education is a right not a luxury. I went to uni to improve my knowledge of the world, increasing my salary potential was a secondary thing.
You tell people who come from modest backgrounds that they will leave uni with 50k of debts and they wont go, making Britain even more classist and elite then it already is. Unicef say Britian is the most unequal country in the world with very few people ever breaching the gap between the elite and the "peasants", just look at the ConDem cabinet to see that, all old money.
And £21k is not a high wage for many graduates who will have to go to London to get a job (like I did). So add in another 9% on top of already high taxes and not much is left over. It costs £500-£700 a month just to rent out a room in a shared flat in London. It is only now (at the age of 30) that my friends have been able to live in a 1 bed flat or studio with their partners. It is no suprise that none of my friends have even been able to think about having children yet, and if they leave it much longer, it may be too late. There is a saying in London that only the very rich or the very poor have children, from my experience that is true, and that stinks!
I am of the opinion that education is a right not a luxury. I went to uni to improve my knowledge of the world, increasing my salary potential was a secondary thing.
You tell people who come from modest backgrounds that they will leave uni with 50k of debts and they wont go, making Britain even more classist and elite then it already is. Unicef say Britian is the most unequal country in the world with very few people ever breaching the gap between the elite and the "peasants", just look at the ConDem cabinet to see that, all old money.
And £21k is not a high wage for many graduates who will have to go to London to get a job (like I did). So add in another 9% on top of already high taxes and not much is left over. It costs £500-£700 a month just to rent out a room in a shared flat in London. It is only now (at the age of 30) that my friends have been able to live in a 1 bed flat or studio with their partners. It is no suprise that none of my friends have even been able to think about having children yet, and if they leave it much longer, it may be too late. There is a saying in London that only the very rich or the very poor have children, from my experience that is true, and that stinks!
Says someone who obviously never went to university.
I think you misunderstand why universities were founded and what they stand for.
Have a look at the degrees Oxbridge and the red brick unis offer, except for law and medicine, the rest are mainly about satisfying a thurst for knowledge e.g. the classics, the sciences, philiosophy, none of which are particularly relevant for a job (unless you go into scientific research), and nor should they be!
You're right on one thing, education is not a luxury, that's why we all go to school until 16. If you CHOOSE however to spend your adult years on a 'jolly' at university rather than earning a keep, then why should I have to fund you? By all means go to uni & study the classics, philiosophy etc but this is your hobby so pay for it yourself.
Most people however go to uni to enhance their earnings potential & I think you'll find those studying science earn very well from their qualifications. Why should one man who isn't intelligent enough to go to uni, so earns minimum wage in a warehouse, have to fund another man who is going to earn in excess of £100k per year as a barrister?
There are too many people going to uni nowadays anyway & the numbers need to be culled. So many graduates are being churned out that they end up working in warehouses & joining the police. This abundance of graduates in my opinion is devaluing university education & forcing wages down.
Anybody with brains nowadays is better off getting a technical trade such as an electrician where in most cases they will earn more than graduates.
