Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
Sep 23rd 2010, 1:20 pm
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Re: Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
I WILL leave Spain if this happens.
For me, it is simply about freedom of choice. Forget the health arguments, and the revenue/economic arguments. Forget the fact that all governments for many years encouraged the promotion of tobacco companies.
There is a very simple solution - let the bars/restaurants chose whether they want to allow smoking, or not. Then, all of us can simply chose a smoking, or non-smoking place.
I fully understand (and agree with) any ban on smoking in other public places and work places, but bars and restaurants should be exempt if they so wish.
For me, it is simply about freedom of choice. Forget the health arguments, and the revenue/economic arguments. Forget the fact that all governments for many years encouraged the promotion of tobacco companies.
There is a very simple solution - let the bars/restaurants chose whether they want to allow smoking, or not. Then, all of us can simply chose a smoking, or non-smoking place.
I fully understand (and agree with) any ban on smoking in other public places and work places, but bars and restaurants should be exempt if they so wish.
Sep 23rd 2010, 1:28 pm
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Re: Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
Personally, I won’t eat in a restaurant that allows smoking.
But I will go inside a Spanish bar if the terrace is full or if it’s raining,
it's by choice, not by force
and I love to see free people smoke if they want to and bring their dogs along too, there was even a greyhound in the one I was in yesterday.
I agree with free people doing whatever they want unless they impact the others by their behavior. Let's not forget there are laws that restrict the I do whatever I want style.
I prefer the company of happy smokers, if we’re outside, to those miserable people, especially recently reformed smokers, who bang on about it incessantly.
That means the non-smokers are on the verge of a nervous breakdown
And if you worry about someone’s smoky breath, there’s half the world that you can’t visit, not because of the smoking, but because breath is more adversely affected by what people eat.
You know I wasn't talking about bad breath but the smoke which is totally unhealthy and I think everybody should choose whether they would like to inhale it or not
But I will go inside a Spanish bar if the terrace is full or if it’s raining,
it's by choice, not by force
and I love to see free people smoke if they want to and bring their dogs along too, there was even a greyhound in the one I was in yesterday.
I agree with free people doing whatever they want unless they impact the others by their behavior. Let's not forget there are laws that restrict the I do whatever I want style.
I prefer the company of happy smokers, if we’re outside, to those miserable people, especially recently reformed smokers, who bang on about it incessantly.
That means the non-smokers are on the verge of a nervous breakdown
And if you worry about someone’s smoky breath, there’s half the world that you can’t visit, not because of the smoking, but because breath is more adversely affected by what people eat.
You know I wasn't talking about bad breath but the smoke which is totally unhealthy and I think everybody should choose whether they would like to inhale it or not
Sep 23rd 2010, 1:52 pm
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Re: Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
I WILL leave Spain if this happens.
For me, it is simply about freedom of choice. Forget the health arguments, and the revenue/economic arguments. Forget the fact that all governments for many years encouraged the promotion of tobacco companies.
There is a very simple solution - let the bars/restaurants chose whether they want to allow smoking, or not. Then, all of us can simply chose a smoking, or non-smoking place.
I fully understand (and agree with) any ban on smoking in other public places and work places, but bars and restaurants should be exempt if they so wish.
For me, it is simply about freedom of choice. Forget the health arguments, and the revenue/economic arguments. Forget the fact that all governments for many years encouraged the promotion of tobacco companies.
There is a very simple solution - let the bars/restaurants chose whether they want to allow smoking, or not. Then, all of us can simply chose a smoking, or non-smoking place.
I fully understand (and agree with) any ban on smoking in other public places and work places, but bars and restaurants should be exempt if they so wish.
it's the same pretty much Europe-wide by now - & tougher in the US
Sep 23rd 2010, 2:01 pm
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Re: Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
I grew up in a household with a smoking alcoholic and believe me, it wasn't smoking that did the most damage to the family. I would have gladly inhaled the secondhand smoke all day long if the alcohol had been banished. By the way, before someone accuses me of being a smoker, I don't smoke or drink.
Sep 23rd 2010, 2:03 pm
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Re: Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
I WILL leave Spain if this happens.
For me, it is simply about freedom of choice. Forget the health arguments, and the revenue/economic arguments. Forget the fact that all governments for many years encouraged the promotion of tobacco companies.
There is a very simple solution - let the bars/restaurants chose whether they want to allow smoking, or not. Then, all of us can simply chose a smoking, or non-smoking place.
I fully understand (and agree with) any ban on smoking in other public places and work places, but bars and restaurants should be exempt if they so wish.
For me, it is simply about freedom of choice. Forget the health arguments, and the revenue/economic arguments. Forget the fact that all governments for many years encouraged the promotion of tobacco companies.
There is a very simple solution - let the bars/restaurants chose whether they want to allow smoking, or not. Then, all of us can simply chose a smoking, or non-smoking place.
I fully understand (and agree with) any ban on smoking in other public places and work places, but bars and restaurants should be exempt if they so wish.
It would create problems meeting friends in restaurants when with kids etc , its extremely selfish and bad mannered to smoke in a restaurant when others are eating even when its legalPoison yourself and your family at home by all means but dont force it on others!
Sep 23rd 2010, 2:13 pm
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Anarchy would be the law if everybody would do what they please.
Sep 23rd 2010, 3:35 pm
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Disagree It would create problems meeting friends in restaurants when with kids etc , its extremely selfish and bad mannered to smoke in a restaurant when others are eating even when its legal
Poison yourself and your family at home by all means but dont force it on others!
It would create problems meeting friends in restaurants when with kids etc , its extremely selfish and bad mannered to smoke in a restaurant when others are eating even when its legalPoison yourself and your family at home by all means but dont force it on others!
Generally, the people I eat out with are smokers. Very common for a family Sunday meal to end with cigars and smokes here.
If the health freaks want a smoke free meal, they can go poison themselves at McDonalds
I see absolutely no problem in allowing people to chose between non-smoking bars, smoking bars, or bars with smoke free rooms and smoking areas. You want a smoke free family meal - you go to the smoke free option. Simple.
Sep 23rd 2010, 3:56 pm
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The solution is even simpler. Create special rooms for smokers.
Sep 23rd 2010, 4:02 pm
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Erm, they've already done that.
That was the last law they implimented in Spain 5 years ago! Bars and restaurants have to have a seperated well ventilated room for smokers unless they are under 100m2, then they have to choose to be smoking or not and clearly signpost it
That was the last law they implimented in Spain 5 years ago! Bars and restaurants have to have a seperated well ventilated room for smokers unless they are under 100m2, then they have to choose to be smoking or not and clearly signpost it
Sep 23rd 2010, 4:15 pm
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I'd like a smoking ban in people's own homes too, especially if they live in flats.
Our neighbours smoke and it wafts in though the window into our flat and makes the communal areas smell awful. It's like they are invading our space. Everytime we get a waft of smoke now we shout out "!guarros, puercos, cómo pesten los feos!". It's our little bit of childish revenge
Oh and those neighbours are English so there's no chance of them understanding
Our neighbours smoke and it wafts in though the window into our flat and makes the communal areas smell awful. It's like they are invading our space. Everytime we get a waft of smoke now we shout out "!guarros, puercos, cómo pesten los feos!". It's our little bit of childish revenge
Oh and those neighbours are English so there's no chance of them understanding
No offence, Cman, but your post really made me laugh. Thanks for that.
I can imagine you shouting out your rude words to your non-understanding English neighbours every time they light a fag, and them thinking that you don’t understand English and shouting back:
“You xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx, xxxx xxx!”
Site rules forbid me to use the real words, not that I use them much anyway.
It should be on Monty Python. (Or was it already?)
Sep 23rd 2010, 4:19 pm
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This would be a big problem for me. I run the only non-Spanish run bar for many miles around. If the ban is rigorously enforced everywhere, I will have the same problem as every other bar, people might stay home. If, however, it is not properly enforced and bars are allowed to flout it I will have a much bigger problem
In bygone days blokes would go out for a couple just to have a bit of piece & quiet and not be forced into watching hours & hours of soap operas with the wife. Today we get a cheap 24 pack from the supermarket & sit watching our very own sky multiroom.
A smoking ban in Spain will have negligible effect on a bar where most people sit outside anyway.
Sep 23rd 2010, 4:33 pm
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Re: Smoking ban AGAIN!!!
I spoke to a couple of Spanish bar owners the last time the threat of a smoking ban was around and they both said that they'd ignore it, but if pushed they'd close their bars and only let in those who wanted to come in??! Something like that. If its not open to the public, its not considered a public place and therefore the rules dont apply.
I work in an English Cafe and we're no smoking inside. I've been there for two weeks and so far I've had no less than six groups of Spanish people coming in, asking if they can smoke inside, when I've said sorry no, they've walked out again! For the life of me I cant understand what all the fuss is about either way! Altho I think freedom of choice is being taken away, the government should get on with sorting out their financial messes and stop worrying about something as insignificant as smoking! More people die, are injured or maimed by alcohol than fags
jo xx
I work in an English Cafe and we're no smoking inside. I've been there for two weeks and so far I've had no less than six groups of Spanish people coming in, asking if they can smoke inside, when I've said sorry no, they've walked out again! For the life of me I cant understand what all the fuss is about either way! Altho I think freedom of choice is being taken away, the government should get on with sorting out their financial messes and stop worrying about something as insignificant as smoking! More people die, are injured or maimed by alcohol than fags
jo xx
Sep 23rd 2010, 4:34 pm
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People don't stay home & not socialise just because of a smoking ban. In the UK people like to blame the smoking ban, but the real reason for pub closures is the ridiculous amount of tax that's charged on alcohol. It's simply too expensive to go out every night anymore.
In bygone days blokes would go out for a couple just to have a bit of piece & quiet and not be forced into watching hours & hours of soap operas with the wife. Today we get a cheap 24 pack from the supermarket & sit watching our very own sky multiroom.
A smoking ban in Spain will have negligible effect on a bar where most people sit outside anyway.
In bygone days blokes would go out for a couple just to have a bit of piece & quiet and not be forced into watching hours & hours of soap operas with the wife. Today we get a cheap 24 pack from the supermarket & sit watching our very own sky multiroom.
A smoking ban in Spain will have negligible effect on a bar where most people sit outside anyway.