Johncarzx

Is it true holiday rental activity costs the community higher maintenance? Or is it that Holiday renters are just disliked and other owners are just jealous of someone making money?

Fredbargate

Holiday renters appear to have less respect for the communal property and rules so therefore do increase maintenance costs. However this is a generalisation and not true in all cases.

Loafing Along

It could be argued that "Yes" they do. Typically in our community we change the shifts of the gardener/pool maintenance team to cope with the extra usage, particularly of the pool, during the holiday season - peak times for renters. This costs the community more. Apart from that another obvious one is the community electricity bill, more occupants in the community ( rental properties are often empty for several months a year ) more expense in lifts, lights etc.

Johncarzx

Can you explain ( rental properties are often empty for several months a year ) more expense in lifts, lights etc.

Loafing Along

Only based on my own knowledge of our community several owners never appear but simply rent their apartments during the holiday seasons, normally Easter and Summer. While the properties are empty the lifts, stairway lights, sensor-controlled lights around the community are used less. With an influx of people all these electricial items are used more and the bills are correspondly higher.

Johncarzx

Still don’t get it. On average what you describe would mean lower annual costs. Please explain.

Loafing Along

Try again .. Typical community made up of several apartments .. OK ?
Empty apartment equals no electricity usage. Renters arrive equals full apartment equals some electricity consumption.. OK so far ?
Every year community does an annual budget that takes account of this situation. In the months when the apartments are empty the electricity consumption is less than when the apartments are full. OK now ?

Whether the community should reflect that in the owners' fees is a different matter . Most communities just use a %age of total community owned by each individual to decide on the fee structure. I am just reporting what actually happens in terms of the community expenses.

Johncarzx

All nonsense. Don't go on Dragons Den.

Leper

Our holiday apartment is in a gated complex and most apartments are rented out. Some rent out to gain as much as possible on their investment. Others rent out just to cover their Community Fees etc. Some do not rent out their property.

Apartment Owners are a diverse race of people. Most have liberal views on almost everything to do with the apartment complex. Some have bees in their bonnet about others renting out their apartment. This latter sect sometimes goes over the top with their criticisms of other Owners and invoke every possible item to ensure nobody has an enjoyable holiday and that Owners who rent out their properties are penalised.

Talk to some of these drip dips and you find that they are the most miserable people (usually from the UK) in Spain. They go out of their way to impose their goddawful opinions on good people. It is easier to live and let live and enjoy people visiting the apartment complex. We were at the receiving end of some of these dreadful dopes for quite some years. I even started compiling a journal of everything I could see happening on the complex. I found that these old farts of killjoys change the rules to accommodate themselves. They can be compared almost to non armed SS troops running certain camps a generation ago.

Johncarzx

It takes all sorts to make a world including Bigots’



I hate holiday tourists and property owners.

Loafing Along

Keeping up with the times as more and more regional governments look to introduce tourist taxes and are forcing AirBnb to register properties and regulate short term holiday renters maybe communities should consider the same concept..

Leper

Many people have been renting out their holiday apartments for years. The system works, the punter gets a cheaper holiday with more nil-pay add-ons than booking through a travel agent. The holiday home owner gets a few bob towards expenses and perhaps even comes out ahead at the end of the year. It's a win/win situation. Then Peter-from-Putney finds himself being the owner of a holiday home abroad, a place that he never thought he would rise to. Then his crappy instinct kicks in and he begrudges the other owners who are trying to keep their heads above water.

Somebody said . . . it takes all types . . . it does and thank God we're not like them.

lic

Interesting thread this!
I've owned 3 separate homes in Spain over the years. None of which I would class as being in a tourist area. Different Urbanisations have different rules.
If your holiday home is in an area where many tourists go, then during the holiday season you would expect a higher volume of people and the noise that goes with it.
If you don't live in an area such as that then you probably bought there for a quieter life.
What some holiday home owners fail to realise/or don't care about, is that people who are often on holiday make a lot of noise. Whether that be by having late night drinks and music, or drunken revelry. Some guests will either not know of or flout community rules e.g. no eating/smoking in pool area, no glass bottles or glass around the pool. These guests confuse a private home with that of a holiday complex (which would normally have staff to clean and supervise the communal areas).
Home owners who rent their homes out to holiday makers, should in my opinion have proper insurance, display the community rules within the properties in a prominent position, and also have a way of checking if the people who they rent the property to are actually those that arrive and stay.
As for the community fees, that should be something decided by each community.
As for the possible extra expenses to the community for hiring out a home, the owners should be liable. Though to prove a renter had caused damage or litter e.g broken glass in the pool, would be a very difficult thing for the community to prove to an owner.
In short if guests behave, follow the rules and don't cause offence then there is no problem with renting properties to them, but if not then life becomes more difficult for your neighbours, who you may rely upon to keep an eye on your property when it is not in use. After all i'm sure most owners buy because they like the urbanisation, probably because its quiet, clean and well maintained.

Loafing Along

Johncarzx

It is unlikely you will be able to control anti social behaviour and disrespect when the culprits are in denial of that behaviour, it’s always Mr Nobody who seems to get around quite a lot. Some Brits either on holiday or in the UK seem to find it difficult to manage alcohol. If alcohol was only discovered today, would it be banned?



You the taxpayer are funding this.