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Does anybody here know the difference in our educational systems re punishments?

In the UK we used to get the cane the ruler or a clip round the earole, I don't think they get anything now in the UK for fear of teachers being threatened with court action?

I just wondered if anyone knew how the Spanish deal with badly behaved kids in school.

It could give us an indication of how Spain will be in the future, if looking at the UK is anything to go by.

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I used to get the cane. Never for an instant did it make me change my ways.

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The children in Spanish schools are very well behaved, because they are regulary beaten by the teachers, it doesnt matter, if they have done wrong or not? They still get beaten.

Is this a serious post, or a wind up? does the OP think that Spain has not moved on when dealing with corporal punishment when the UK has?

Have you not heard that there are loads of teachers off work will stress, the same as the UK.

Have you not heard that the teachers in Spain have the same problems with their pupils as the UK?

The innercity secondary schools in both countries have the same problems, did you not know that.

The little country schools dont have such a hard time, just like the UK.

Do you really expect that a school in a poor district in Madrid is not comparable from one in some inner London District?


The punishments you are talking about stopped in Spain too, time has changed things as regards punishment, it is not about which country, Spain or UK.:huh::huh:

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Er if I'd have known any of these things I wouldn't have needed to ask. I thought that's what forums were for?

I was being serious, I don't know any kids or parents to ask, It hadn't even crossed my mind until I saw another thread on here that made me think, made me wonder if perhaps they hadn't moved on in that respect.

Spain verses Uk, don't know what made you mention that, if I preferd the UK I would still be living there.

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You are asking me why I am comparing Spain to the UK, you were the one who mentioned the UK in your starting post, so why are you complaining when I answer you question:huh:

I never said that you preferred the UK, but do you honestly think that Spain would not have the same problems in schools as the UK does.

Do you really think that Spanish teachers have the whole thing sewn up and sorted when English teachers do not?

Teachers in the UK do not cane pupils because they are afraid of law suits, as you stated in your post, but because it is against the law , just like in Spain.

Do you honestly think that Spain would allow corporal punishment when the UK does not, do you really think that Spain is so backward?

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I don't know what part of "I didn't know· you can't understand.

Nothing wrong with the question, there's many who think discipline in schools is too slack in the Uk and that's why youth is like it is over there whether you agree with that fact or not.

I wondered how the Spanish handle it in schools.

Obviously you think you know, but unfortunately can't answer in a civil manner.

Sorry yes I did ask compared to UK, it was your reply at the bottom I didn't quite understand re' Spain, I don't even know how it is in UK schools now other than what I have been told.

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Sometime you dont have to KNOW.........

Just try to use a little common sense about matters and the answer will be fairly obvious.

And there are those that think schools are too slack in Sopain too, it depends on the school, just like the UK

You should know that EU rules apply in Spain too, you know, we are not the Banana republic we once were.

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Ha yes Rules, :rofl:

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Maybe you will find some similarities with the UK

I doubt if the more enlightened members will not be too surprised by this because Spain isa part of the EU after all.

Child salavery is also banned, just in case you wish to start a thread about that?

http://www.endcorporalpunishment.org...rts/spain.html

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:confused:

This thread gets the first prize for quickest unexplainable degeneration...

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I well I thought it was a very patronising thread........I feel it was trolling...

But maybe you have to be on ones home turf to see it............

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Well I don't hear much good about UK schooling these days, just wondered how Spain compared. Very sorry you think it's wrong to ask.

5 posts from JLFS, all sarcastic:thumbdown:

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The sooner that people realise that Spanish people are like the British, with the same problems and worries, the better.

Instead of thinking they are a breed apart and an alien species.

If there is a drug culture in the UK it will apply to Spain, same for weapons and other social problems.

For the doubtes read on:

http://blogalejandragodoyh.bligoo.co...las-Aulas.html

I know some live in a little sun and sangria bubble, but even they must know that there are teenagers going through school and know that their future is bleak same as the UK.

So the same dismotivation in schools apply.

I dont live in Italy and never have, but common sence tells me that they will have the similar problems with the youth as Spain, and the same goes for France. You dont need to have a superbrain to work that one out.

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Great let's do away with forums then and not have any discussions about it, you have your opinions and that's it. You know so much on the subject you think you can be rude to those who don't. You 're all right jack.

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I agree with having discussions, but not with moronic questions....... Could you not think that the problems with the youth, are the same as within the UK, is that such an alien concept?

If smacking children in the UK is against the law, would you not presume that it is here as well.

The UK has a drug problem, would you not expect Spain or Italy to have the same?

on "the what has changed in the last 20 years in Spain" thread, someone has just posted that the younger generation does not have the same respect for authority as they did 20 years ago, that rings a bell with me as to what the people in the UK say about their own youth.

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Like I said, strange as it might seem to you, it had never entered my mind until today after I read something else on here, I don't know how Spain compares to UK in the education system, it's that simple, and at the moment I only have your opinion, which is, that it is very similar, thank you for that.

This lack of respect for authority, many put down to lack of discipline in Schools. I wouldn't know if this feeling was the same in Spain as well.

I may not have worded my op as well as I could have but I'm sure most will get the gest of it.

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I actually find the youth in Spain far more polite and that also makes me wonder why, what do they do differently.

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As I am new to Siesta Time, please be gentle with me :unsure:From 1 who's foot is still in the UK pond, but also have a new property in Spain, I believe that every country has it's problems with their youth, it is not down solely to how they are educated or how they are disciplined whilst being educated. It is a combination of many factors including social background, parental input, emotional stability etc. I am fortunate enough to live in an area with a good school, nice kids, parents who care about their kids behaviour etc. and dare I say mostly nice youths and young adults. I bet your bottom dollar though that there are many parents here in the UK that would disagree, a lot depends on the area you live in, but please dont think it is all doom and gloom back here in blighty as in all Countries there is good and bad. When it comes to discipline there is surely a collective responsibilty to fix the problem.

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Gosh I'm so sorry if I come across as being nasty, it's not intentional.:thumbdown:

Yes I guess TV and the press like to only show the worst side of things.

I really do find Spanish youth a pleasure to be with. An example, I was in a bar having a drink one evening, which is unusual for me, and a few teens were playing on a football machine thing, when their other pals turned up they threw their arms around them and hugged them, these were young men maybe 18 or 19, Now I have Never seen that in the UK.

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The first primary school my daughter went to in Spain (2009) dealt with bad children in the class by locking them in a cupboard.Each class had one of these cupboards which we called chokeys(from the film Matilda if anyone has seen it).

They were left for about 10mins banging and screaming while the teacher carried on with the class.

I dont think that would occur in the UK and I dont know if it worked cos according to my daughter the chokeys were always busy.

My daughters current school still has some old ways of managing bad behaviour.For example, my daughter is a very picky eater and has never come round to enjoying spanish school dinners which at her school a good 75% of the time is fish.

She now always sits in a naughty corner in the comedor cos she dosent eat much and alot of the time they deny her bread and even water if she dosent try the first plate.

She only stays cos we think its important for her to be in the playground socialising and learning the lingo which really has helped. And believe it or not she likes it in her corner!!!!!!

Home dinners will be on the agenda this year as her fluency is coming along in leaps and bounds.

But the spanish teachers I have got to know are lovely.They love kisses and cuddles even with us parents. Now, Id like to see that in the UK.They would be banged up.

Not really a straight answer to your question but interesting I think all the same.

And I didnt really see what was wrong with your question either.

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:)

Fussy eating is a crime in Spain

So is not giving someone a kiss or a cuddle from time to time!

I see Spanish people as very socially confident and I think frequent physical contact has a lot to do with that.

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I didnt for one minute think you were being nasty :) but having read a lot of different threads some of the comments can quickly have the thread degenerating into a mass squabble lol very amusing to the reader, if not to the poor poster on the receiving end, I was only asking not to be shot down in flames by anyone thats all, I am a gentle soul ! Do any posters ever meet up or do they just wind each other from a distance lol
As for kisses and cuddles what a joy it would be to be able to do that here, I work in a nursery school so the children need affection at such a young age but we are discouraged to do so once they get to 2 yrs old, apparantly it is to help instill independance, in a 2 yr old, for pitys sake!!
In my sons school we had about 3 disruptive kids and there was many a time dare I suggest that the naughty cupboard would have been fit to burst. I dont know how our schoolhead managed it but the naughty have moved to other schools ;)

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Or moronic answers

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Phew Thanks, take a look at some members "other posts" you'll see quite often all they ever post is critisism.:thumbdown:

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Whats eating you?

I admit the answer may have been a bit sharp, but not moronic, as the question was.

Do people seriously think that coproral punishment is still allowed in Spain and has to ask?

And dont people realise that inner city shcools have the same problems with pupils as their equivalent in the UK?

Just because the local little village school seems to have polite pupils do people thing that all schools are the same. Weapons are found in schools in Spain as in the UK.

There are thousands of children in Spanish schools who are being bullied, and at least one girl was killed by her Spanish classmates.

Most of the posters on here I suppose have never been near these "violent schools" where the teachers are terrorised, either in the UK or in Spain, as I havent myself.

Common sense should tell you that the problem is world wide and the "incomers" to Spain have the priveledge of being able to chose their location, which is not alway an option for the local population in Spain and the also in the UK.

Dont people realise that Spanish parents have the same problems as British parents if they live in certain areas.
But expats tend to presume that the whole of Spain is like their little inland village, well it is not, and everyone should be able to work that out for themselves unless they are a moron......

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and whats eating you?

The question was not about corporal punishment it was about different ways of disciplining in Spain and the uk.

I did mention what we used to get in my day That must have thrown you?

Spanish must be doing something right as most I meet are very well mannered unlike you.

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Funnily enough, most of the English I know and knew we good at joined up thinking.........

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All this is true, but will only come to those who feel part of both countries enough to have been able to form opinions by speaking to people, seeing stuff in the media, or better, at first hand.

I am sure that a good school in the UK has more in common with a good school in Spain than a good and bad school have in common in either country.

Something not entirely unrelated... I was talking to a friend a few weeks ago who is a teacher in Santander, she is an English teacher at a state school. She says in her classes there are normally only 2-3 Spanish kids, then the rest come from China, Romania, Russia, Morocco and Latin America. The Chinese kids dont even speak Spanish nevermind English.

Sounds pretty much like the situation in a lot of UK inner city schools...

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JLFS may not be very diplomatic but he has made some good points. I agree with him.

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Thans for that.......

I think you have done it a bit more genltly than I did, but the meaning is the same.......

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Hey you, Pot keetle and black springs to mind..:lol::lol:

OK I accept that I am now officially classed as an "undipo" as opposed to a "dipo":)

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So it was a stupid question to discuss you mean?

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It'd be interesting to find out if there's as much concern about dumbing down in Spanish schools as in the UK. For a long time employers have been saying that school leavers and even graduates in the UK don't have the necessary skills for the workplace. The poster TheLostPhotographer also mentioned this point on another thread

Are Spanish Universities churning out Media-Studies graduates? I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing - maybe in these days of Internet start-ups we need the imaginative student more than the "literate" one? :confused: Of course all students in the UK now have to be extremely imaginative in order to pay the 7k per year tuition fees..

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Afaik you cant get a degree in Media Studies in Spain.

They offer only the traditional subjects, a bit like the subjects you could study at Oxbridge.

I know lots of people who have gone to uni in Spain, and some who did half their course in the UK and half in Spain. They all say getting a degree in Spain is more difficult. The failure rate is high in Spain, you have to attend more hours of lectures (my OH had 5 hours per week in the UK and 35 hours per week in Spain), the degrees take longer (5 years in Spain, 3 in the UK).

However, there is very little original research at Spanish unis which make them poor for the sciences - and a lot of subjects you have to learn parrot fashion. So often doesnt make for encouraging original thought. For example in a Spanish essay you are not allowed to state your opinion (which is worth nothing) but must source all your opinions from verified sources, while in the UK you are encouraged to give your own opinion.

All this makes things like engineering, law and language degrees very good in Spain, but the creative and science degrees not so good.

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My OH did a one year degree in UK

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I've never heard of a 1 year degree. What qualification did she get?

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BSc 2nd Class Honours,
Community Health Care Studies

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hi there i am quite new to this forum and so far i have not found it very helpful in settling into spain apart from a few helpful people there seem to be quite a few people who just want a rant and patronise others that are seeking real answers to real questions.

On the schools subject my daughter who is 6 and my son who is 3 are at a city centre school in Vitoria and have been attending the school for nearly two years....they are both happy there and it seems they use the time out method of discipline for minor bad behaviour and send them into the classroom for teenagers for more serious bad behaviour. When my daughter has lunch at the school i have heard they are discouraged from talking have to eat everything and occasionally my daughter has had her hair and ear pulled by the dinner lady....which to me is totally different from the school she was in the UK......i have seen the parents be fairly hands on with their children if they misbehave for example they have smacked them around their head, pulled their hair and ear.....for me i find it shocking....i do find it old fashioned....

i´m afraid i dont know anything about discipline for the older children.....