Sale of hotel & golf courses
Mar 2nd 2018, 6:57 pm
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Mar 5th 2018, 7:51 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Hi Jon,
Don't get me wrong i would love to see the hotel open,and more people coming and going using all the facilities, but even if they turned up next Monday it would still be around two three years before it was all singing all dancing hotel resort.
Its whats happening on Esuri now that matters and makes more sense to me, the proposed sale does not include the empty shopping centre at the roundabout as you enter Esuri, so that's staying as is for now!!.
The demographics of Esuri mean most people who reside,live there are living on Pensions savings, pretty much a fixed income,if we had 4 restaurants and 5 bars, they wouldn't be full each day/ night, but weekends and special occasions, then come Easter/Summer months you would struggle to get in them. Like at home you don't eat out or go for a drink every night(Your not included in that
)
So its hard to run a business on those terms and keep good staff with decent wages.
Ken.
Don't get me wrong i would love to see the hotel open,and more people coming and going using all the facilities, but even if they turned up next Monday it would still be around two three years before it was all singing all dancing hotel resort.
Its whats happening on Esuri now that matters and makes more sense to me, the proposed sale does not include the empty shopping centre at the roundabout as you enter Esuri, so that's staying as is for now!!.
The demographics of Esuri mean most people who reside,live there are living on Pensions savings, pretty much a fixed income,if we had 4 restaurants and 5 bars, they wouldn't be full each day/ night, but weekends and special occasions, then come Easter/Summer months you would struggle to get in them. Like at home you don't eat out or go for a drink every night(Your not included in that
) So its hard to run a business on those terms and keep good staff with decent wages.
Ken.
I'm glad we agree on the hotel, I misunderstood you there, when you asked me to be careful what I wish for. Of course I don't expect any quick fix, as I've said many times 'don't hold your breath'. We bought virtually off plan - since then every change has taken interminably long. We're all used to it, and to disappointment over unachieved 'rumours'. I don't even know if all this has even been sold!
I do wish for something like I was promised on purchase. I celebrate the 'baby-steps' we have made so far and will in the future. But I wont get what I wish for in my lifetime. Maybe(?) the hotel will give it a kick start - it is anyway an improvement, hey a Marina would too!!!
Whilst I agree to much of your point on the demographics - I don't fully agree. Monte Francisco is far smaller - go there now in low season and you'll see many houses closed up, so there are also many holiday homes there. Yet the choice of bars-restos is significantly more.
Like many large communities there is a mix of wealth here. As you mentioned, on one hand - look at the villas going up...then... also people on limited pension-like budgets.
I feel there is room for a properly managed (for the demographics) Jags/19H (regardless of the actual location). We had that before with a far lower population. The GC is expensive - we can see it from our place and in the evenings often virtually empty. You and I love the shop which we call 'the local', but many (e.g those we know as friends) really don't share that feeling and prefer not to go there much. Great they have the option and prefer to pay a taxi into town to use the facilities there.
There's got to be room for more! Properly planned and priced and managed. Everything from a Hotel- Kiosko - Asian resto - new bar . Tuned to seasonal variation geared to the community (like we see all over e.g Spain)
Finally golf is an expensive hobby as you say on this thread. We often have a drink with golfers at the club after the game - who can all afford the prices. If my food+drink budget was as high as your (plural) food+drink+golf budget I'd be drinking champers and eating fillet steak a LOT more!
Maybe see you at MC tonight... we'll have a good-priced drink at our local!
Cheers
Jon
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Mar 5th 2018, 10:38 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Now now Ken, that's the second time you've joked about my enjoyment of food+drink! You'll ruin my international reputation as the tee-totallin', bible thumpin' & preachin' Vegan CE resident
I'm glad we agree on the hotel, I misunderstood you there, when you asked me to be careful what I wish for. Of course I don't expect any quick fix, as I've said many times 'don't hold your breath'. We bought virtually off plan - since then every change has taken interminably long. We're all used to it, and to disappointment over unachieved 'rumours'. I don't even know if all this has even been sold!
I do wish for something like I was promised on purchase. I celebrate the 'baby-steps' we have made so far and will in the future. But I wont get what I wish for in my lifetime. Maybe(?) the hotel will give it a kick start - it is anyway an improvement, hey a Marina would too!!!
Whilst I agree to much of your point on the demographics - I don't fully agree. Monte Francisco is far smaller - go there now in low season and you'll see many houses closed up, so there are also many holiday homes there. Yet the choice of bars-restos is significantly more.
Like many large communities there is a mix of wealth here. As you mentioned, on one hand - look at the villas going up...then... also people on limited pension-like budgets.
I feel there is room for a properly managed (for the demographics) Jags/19H (regardless of the actual location). We had that before with a far lower population. The GC is expensive - we can see it from our place and in the evenings often virtually empty. You and I love the shop which we call 'the local', but many (e.g those we know as friends) really don't share that feeling and prefer not to go there much. Great they have the option and prefer to pay a taxi into town to use the facilities there.
There's got to be room for more! Properly planned and priced and managed. Everything from a Hotel- Kiosko - Asian resto - new bar . Tuned to seasonal variation geared to the community (like we see all over e.g Spain)
Finally golf is an expensive hobby as you say on this thread. We often have a drink with golfers at the club after the game - who can all afford the prices. If my food+drink budget was as high as your (plural) food+drink+golf budget I'd be drinking champers and eating fillet steak a LOT more!
Maybe see you at MC tonight... we'll have a good-priced drink at our local!
Cheers
Jon
I'm glad we agree on the hotel, I misunderstood you there, when you asked me to be careful what I wish for. Of course I don't expect any quick fix, as I've said many times 'don't hold your breath'. We bought virtually off plan - since then every change has taken interminably long. We're all used to it, and to disappointment over unachieved 'rumours'. I don't even know if all this has even been sold!
I do wish for something like I was promised on purchase. I celebrate the 'baby-steps' we have made so far and will in the future. But I wont get what I wish for in my lifetime. Maybe(?) the hotel will give it a kick start - it is anyway an improvement, hey a Marina would too!!!
Whilst I agree to much of your point on the demographics - I don't fully agree. Monte Francisco is far smaller - go there now in low season and you'll see many houses closed up, so there are also many holiday homes there. Yet the choice of bars-restos is significantly more.
Like many large communities there is a mix of wealth here. As you mentioned, on one hand - look at the villas going up...then... also people on limited pension-like budgets.
I feel there is room for a properly managed (for the demographics) Jags/19H (regardless of the actual location). We had that before with a far lower population. The GC is expensive - we can see it from our place and in the evenings often virtually empty. You and I love the shop which we call 'the local', but many (e.g those we know as friends) really don't share that feeling and prefer not to go there much. Great they have the option and prefer to pay a taxi into town to use the facilities there.
There's got to be room for more! Properly planned and priced and managed. Everything from a Hotel- Kiosko - Asian resto - new bar . Tuned to seasonal variation geared to the community (like we see all over e.g Spain)
Finally golf is an expensive hobby as you say on this thread. We often have a drink with golfers at the club after the game - who can all afford the prices. If my food+drink budget was as high as your (plural) food+drink+golf budget I'd be drinking champers and eating fillet steak a LOT more!
Maybe see you at MC tonight... we'll have a good-priced drink at our local!
Cheers
Jon
, but i'm stuck in cold wet blighty?, back in ten days so will definitely catch up then and have a Day/Night out with you both,
.Ken.
Mar 5th 2018, 3:54 pm
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Its wet and windy here. We went to lunch in Tavira, the news was all about the TORNADO that really messed up homes, sadly, and ripped out trees etc. There was even a report from Castro Marim.
You'll miss all that when you get here... See you then Ill get the steak
Jon
Last edited by Rosemary; Mar 7th 2018 at 9:10 am. Reason: corrected quote
Mar 23rd 2018, 5:04 pm
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Looks like NO news is NOT good news. I'm sure had the sale gone through the Mayor of Ayamonte would have appeared on the front cover of the local paper Huelva Informacion shaking hands with the new owners but I've seen nothing!
Better luck next year I guess.
Better luck next year I guess.
Mar 24th 2018, 12:46 pm
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Keith,
do not despair. Miracles exist.
do not despair. Miracles exist.
Mar 26th 2018, 7:53 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
The Mayor appears in many pics ... but nothing done for the moment...
Apr 11th 2018, 3:28 pm
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
its all gone very quiet on the hotel sale...............? the grapevine has 'withered'??
Apr 17th 2018, 8:03 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
The grapevine (aka rumour mill
) has gone quieter. However I recently heard that the GC is running down its services, Javier is not seen as much and the restaurant choice has dropped to a minimum.
There's even a rumour of a pending closure on 24/4. This sounds dire - but may be positive, if it is then that they hand over the GC to the new owners - with pockets big enough to buy/invest in all the real estate there.
That's if anything has been signed of course ! Like others have mentioned, where is the Mayor in the press with the good news?!!
I remain positive, however, for 2018 in total and with e.g the new 'fusion' resto opening - new owners of the hotel and Golf (hopefully).. it sounds like some major steps forward.... but lets see. Still not holding my breath, though.
But things are looking up - I think
Jon
Apr 17th 2018, 8:28 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Yesterday Martin Fadesa en liquidacion, opened a new auction season where besides other real state, is the mall, but NOT the hotel and the golf course.
How to explain that? I hope they consider these already sold.
How to explain that? I hope they consider these already sold.
Apr 17th 2018, 8:42 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
Enri, I would imagine that the deal on the hotel and golf club is 'nearly there' hence not included in any current sale. Maybe?
Jon BXL - you have heard more than I! I have heard that the manager of the golf club has 'lost interest' in the golf club, is closing the Bianka Resto and just doing bar snacks from now on. Maybe his interest is more in his construction business of even his new resto in Punta Umbria, who knows, but the gc is definitely in decline at the moment, and very quiet as opposed to what it has been. Big shame, but, as you say, lots of new establishments may be coming to Esuri. Certainly many new villas being built and that shows good confidence in Esuri coupled with many investing in its future. As you say, good things to come, in time
Jon BXL - you have heard more than I! I have heard that the manager of the golf club has 'lost interest' in the golf club, is closing the Bianka Resto and just doing bar snacks from now on. Maybe his interest is more in his construction business of even his new resto in Punta Umbria, who knows, but the gc is definitely in decline at the moment, and very quiet as opposed to what it has been. Big shame, but, as you say, lots of new establishments may be coming to Esuri. Certainly many new villas being built and that shows good confidence in Esuri coupled with many investing in its future. As you say, good things to come, in time
Apr 18th 2018, 9:22 am
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Re: Sale of hotel & golf courses
ENRI - Do you have a link to the current phase of auctions that you referred to. I google searched the fadesa website and could not find anything current? I was merely interested on seeing the details for the shopping centre. Thanks keith.
Apr 18th 2018, 9:30 am
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........... but lets see. Nothing is logical or easy over here with regards to CE!Jon
Apr 18th 2018, 9:36 am
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Enri, I would imagine that the deal on the hotel and golf club is 'nearly there' hence not included in any current sale. Maybe?
Jon BXL - you have heard more than I! I have heard that the manager of the golf club has 'lost interest' in the golf club, is closing the Bianka Resto and just doing bar snacks from now on. Maybe his interest is more in his construction business of even his new resto in Punta Umbria, who knows, but the gc is definitely in decline at the moment, and very quiet as opposed to what it has been. Big shame, but, as you say, lots of new establishments may be coming to Esuri. Certainly many new villas being built and that shows good confidence in Esuri coupled with many investing in its future. As you say, good things to come, in time
Jon BXL - you have heard more than I! I have heard that the manager of the golf club has 'lost interest' in the golf club, is closing the Bianka Resto and just doing bar snacks from now on. Maybe his interest is more in his construction business of even his new resto in Punta Umbria, who knows, but the gc is definitely in decline at the moment, and very quiet as opposed to what it has been. Big shame, but, as you say, lots of new establishments may be coming to Esuri. Certainly many new villas being built and that shows good confidence in Esuri coupled with many investing in its future. As you say, good things to come, in time
Well dont ask .... dont get.
So I think we will not be seeing Javier much longer.
Tea leaves are good - I agree
Jon
Apr 18th 2018, 10:19 am
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Keith; I must send five posts, before sending you a URL