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:unsure::unsure:

Did he have the horn on when he flashed? :unsure:

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I'm confused - Getting back to the Empire, did we not just get the locals to Speak our lingo?
And what has a fence and an MOT test got to do with D-Day and your Dad's inability to get his tackle shot off before he gave us all you?

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Yes ......... he is "tangents r us" tonight

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The one thing that I really admire about other nationalities is their ability to be united and form allegiance with others of the same country. Take the Irish, Italian, Asian, many East European and African countries they all have this inter network where they help each other. They don't see this as a weakness in people, they actually think it is their duty to be there to help and advise newbees and to insure that they have help in settling in to there new lives.

My daughter and SIL who is Irish went to New Zealand for a year, landed at 5am knowing no one, went to an Irish bar that they had been given the name of back in England and waited for it to open, with in 5 hours they had somewhere to live, he had a job in the bar and he was signed up to the football team. Then just a few weeks later the owner of the bar had arrange for him to take his Bar Managers exam. Now I think that is something to be proud of, countrymen who actually like each other, sometime I get really p*****d off with people that have nothing better to do than knocker others.

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NO, he only gets the horn when being flashed at home;)

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Things may come....and things may go....but the Art School dance goes on forever.

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My philosophy is help those who can't help themselves. There's a couple of older ladies who are on their own and I've gone with them to different places to get things done.
But the vast majority are my age group and/or retired (unlike me who has to work for a living)....and they spend their days in cafes/bars, sitting on their fat asses talking mindless shite and gossiping....and making no attempt to learn the language or try to integrate.
Then they ask me....(who works around 80 hours a week) to phone Telefonica for them. They're having a laugh....and people like me who work hard just get used by them. Cos they'll never put their hand in their pockets that's for sure!

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What's the difference between the older ladies on there own and the ones sitting on their fat arse, is it because they are men. After all they are all Britz, unable or unwilling to speak a new language what makes these two such a worthy course. It sounds to me a little bit like sour grapes when you say " the vast majority are my age group and/or retired (unlike me who has to work for a living)." I expect that they too worked for a living and earned the right to retire wether it be early or at pension age and sit on their fat arse and drink coffee all day talking mindless shite. If at the age you are, and I think you are the same age as me you have mishandled your finance's to the extend that you still have to work 80 hours aweek at least be gracious enough to acknowledge their right to do this.

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You're presuming a lot when you don't know my circumstances. Making presumptions without the hindsight of prior research or any relevant information about me is not a prudent course of action.

But in point of fact my circumstances are not the issue here.....what is the issue is that if there are elderly ladies who have health issues and need a hand sometimes, then no problem.
But if somebody chooses not to learn the language, chooses to spend all day going from bar to bar swilling booze and talking bollocks....in fact, putting nothing back into either the Spanish or British community.....then don't come to me to wipe their asses for them.
And even if they're retired millionaires, what use is that when they go to the doctor and can't even explain why they're there? Social status and financial stability are not the issue here....the issue here is taking responsibility for your life rather than expect others to do everything for you.

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and you think that the "Empire" was created through altruism?!


It was created, as are all Empires, to make money, and in that we excelled, we made more money than any other Empire has since and will ever make, in terms of commercialism we knocked spots off the Yanks and our social awareness was worse during that era than at any time since.


Look, I admit, I am trying to wind you up a bit, someone said I couldn't, and from your replies I have proven I have a little.

But Pete, you have to start dealing with some of your issues you have in life.
There is no major slide in values in life, it is possible to live "outside" of the norm, and quite a few people on here do.

I could never have your unhappiness in life, it would drive me nuts, I need a positive attitude to complete me, and I firmly believe in the goodness of the human spirit. Yeah, sometimes that faith is shaken, sometimes it is torn up and shredded, but it doesn't stop me believing.

You should try and be a little more positive in life, it may open your eyes............and save us from any more of these "horrible Brits on the Costa's" threads!!

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Unhappiness in life Matt? Don't know where you got that idea from?
You see, I'm not an anonymous internet figure on here, so I can't present a persona to the world that's untrue.
There's 3 members on here who are business clients of mine, another couple who are home clients of mine, and another bunch who've known me through forums for some years.
All I'm doing is making social comments on Brits....in a similar vein that Chris Rock does with the black community.
Why would I be unhappy? I'm living where I want to live, I have my family with me, we're in good health, my business is growing, I have a nice bike, I have friends in the Brit, Spanish, and Gitano communities. So everything's fine with me.....just because I pass comments on the ineptitude of Brits in general doesn't make me unhappy.
In the same way as passing positive comments on Brits doesn't necessarily make you happy with your life.

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You are quite right, I should not have made assumptions about your circumstances, I did go to bed and think for a second that I should not have said that. On the other hand I do feel you have a very negative out look on much in life and your attitude to the British person aboard really does not sit well with me.

I'm not saying I am a better person than the next but as Matt said a positive and goodness in human spirit would not go a miss if more people tried to look at the bigger picture and include this in their everyday living.

One word that has just sprung to mind is Tolerance - a willingness or ability to tolerate others in their acts or opinions. It would be interesting to know what phrase or saying you use when telling these people you won't help them, do you really say to them "get of your fat arse and do it your self you beer swilling, talking b******s lazy Brit".:ohmy:

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Thats exactly the point Pete ..... GENERAL. Your comments are so general and clearly cant be correct by the number of Brits that are making the effort. Of course there are those that you mention around, that either haven't bothered, or just can't speak the language ..... its not an easy thing to learn a new language in later years and just learning the basics aint going to help you out with the technical stuff. When I first came here my neighbours were so helpful to us .... yes, calling Telefonica if necessary, and when they came here there were a family that helped them, and before that someone who helped them.

When I have enough Spanish doubtless I will help someone myself, and I dont have a problem with that ;)

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No offence taken crispygirl....I'm just trying to point you that because you don't know me, or the environment in which I live, then it's going to be difficult for you to get a perspective of what I'm talking about.

I'll give you examples of what I mean;
Brit woman in her 70's has a car breakdown. I get it going for her, take it to the garage, arrange the repair, then take it back to her when it's done.
Brit woman in her 60's get's her car stuck on a mountain ledge so I drive it off for her.
Disabled Spanish woman can't get to the shops so I take her to do her shopping.
Brit guy in his 50's returns to Britain for good. I arrange and load all the shop fittings and stock from his shop into a removal truck for him to receive the other end.
Even discounting the various animal rescues where other Brits just stood back and did nothing, I actually do more than my fair share.
But in each case they were people who needed help....and deserved to be helped.
In the case of the "I know it all, I've done it all, and I've seen it all brigade" they're quite capable of taking responsibility for their own lives. If they choose not to, for whatever reason, then that's down to them.
They chose to come here for whatever reason, so they need to put their house in order, rather than expect others who have, to take up the slack for them.

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Jon....you've been here. You know that this environment is so far removed from the Costas etc it could be a different planet.
Unless people are confident that they'll be able to cope with it, they shouldn't come here. What brings many of them here is the fact that property is cheaper, not a desire to live in an inland rural agricultural community. Consequently many don't survive here cos they're completely ill-prepared for what they're going to find.