inbarcelona

Once I knew EXACTLY what to do it wasn´t stressful. The stressful part was finding out what needed to be done.
My mistake was to start with the Police Station rather than the other way round. Once i had fathomed out that I needed the Extranjeria Office first it all fell into place.

I did mine just as the system changed. I had an appointment for July (under the old system) which was cancelled...they sent an email cancelling it ......without giving a reason. It was only later I found out that they had started a new system

bobd22

I can see where the stress and confusion came for you given you had an appointment under the old green card method. I already have my green card as been here a couple of years. However my wife was joining me as soon as lock down allowed. I had made enquiries at gestor about 2 weeks before the change to TIE and they said no change. A week before my wife arrived the change to TIE occurred I re contacted gestor and they said they didn't know how new system would work. So like yourself that created stress until I found the clear guide (I put it on one of the threads) once we followed that and made the appointments all went smoothly.

inbarcelona

I guess it´s like most things...easy when you know how......but if everthing is new to you....plus the language...it all seems a bit daunting.
As you say, when they introduced the new proceedure even the Gestors were confused to start with.

quixote

Thanks all for the comments.

My confusion with this is that everything online talks about the NIE being issued when you apply for registration (EX-21), but in this case they (Extranjeria) have suggested I get one first (from policia nacional) in order to be able to get the things that they will then require. My friend suggests I can still go to Extranjeria for a provisional NIE.

I have found a lawyer in Seville who specialises in immigration so I think we will be using her services - she has quoted us €200 per person.

Will keep this thread updated when we make some headway.

bobd22

I thought the ex 21 is the form for non eu family members being claimed by someone who is resident. The form for part 1 (Extranjero Office) is Ex 20. The form for part 2 (police National ) is EX 23. I think given the confusion you find yourself with the 200 euros will put all that behind you so will be well spent.

inbarcelona

Yes...Stage one....EX20
Stage two....EX23

inbarcelona

Might be worth taking an EX15 with you just in case...EX15 is the application form for a NIE but as you are doing the whole thing together the EX20 and EX23 might cover it.

Chipmonk

As far as time is concerned I dont think you can just do phase 1 then wait until June to complete the process. I am pretty sure you have to complete within a month of starting but the June deadline is to give time to people who have had issues with processing the first time. Else you could just do stage 1 in uk and then wait until June to come over to Spain's

bobd22

That is my understanding also. Once one has completed stage 1 at the Extranjero Office and are issued the authorisation certificate to procede to stage 2 (National Police) they must do so within 1 month of the authorisation certificate being issued. If they fail to do so my understanding they will need to go back through stage 1. Once stage 2 is started I believe they say the card should be issued within 3 months. So I would guess the 6 months added on in 2021 is for people to say commence stage 1 application prior to 31 Dec and ensure there is sufficient time to complete and issue a card given one could have delays etc should say further documentation proof be required in the process.
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Notdunroamin

Except it proves nothing of the sort, it only says when you applied for it and that could have been years ago or last week!

Take the case where somebody bought a holiday home 5+ years ago and (illegally) signed on the Padron.

​​​​​​If that were taken as proof of arrival in Spain to live then theoretically they would immediately qualify for a TIE permanent.

The only conclusive proof of living in Spain is submission of a Modelo 720 and a first tax return and that can be some time after actually setting foot in the country.

bobd22

Just wondering if anyone has actually received their new TIE card? In particular anyone who has submitted initially and not simply exchanged their green card for TIE. I am wondering how the Police National contact you to inform you that the card is ready to collect? I presumed they would either email or send a letter? It is a month now since my wife completed part 2 fingerprinting etc we have heard nothing so far. The official who dealt with my wife said around 3 weeks. Any information would be appreciated .

inbarcelona

I completed Stage 2 of the process in Barcelona.
I was told that the card would be ready in 4 or 5 weeks. I was specifically told that they would NOT contact me when it is ready. I need to make an appointment to collect it.

The problem is....the piece of paper they gave me that I have to take with me to collect the card is valid only for 45 days....yet the card won´t be ready until 28 or 35 days. Appointments are difficult to get in Barcelona so that only leaves me potentially with ten days to get an appointment.
Apparently you can´t make an appointment in anticipation of the card being ready in 4 or 5 weeks. It has to be ready BEFORE you make the appointment.

Why they couldn´t give me an appointment to collect the card after Stage 2 was completed is beyond me.....but this IS Spain.

inbarcelona

I think you should contact them bobd22...which Province are you living in?.....see my message above.

inbarcelona

oops.....sorry.....Andalucia/Sevilla....stupid me

bobd22

Hi thanks for reply . We completed stage 2 at Málaga police station. As you say everywhere I look I can find good information on how to apply etc and as I previously commented that was pretty straightforward. However there is nothing re collecting the card other than when it's ready? You collect from the same police station and need your passport and the form they gave you. The official said around 3 weeks to a month? However I looked on the cita booking site and it says . That when the fingerprints are taken you should confirm with that office when the card will be ready for collection ? If you haven't confirmed this ? Then it says you must wait at least 45 days from date of fingerprinting before making an appointment to collect. The process for obtaining cita to collect the card requires you to submit date of fingerprinting. In our case we will have to make a cita in 2 weeks time and hope the card is ready. The breakdown in the system in my view is the system or officials make no mention of this I only found this bit about 45 days last night by checking the cita site re if there was a way to make an appointment to collect the card. They ask for an email address in case of contact but it would seem don't use it to inform you to collect the card? If we get a message to collect earlier we will if not will wait the 45 days and hopefully get it then.