jonesy7

EMR

Did you have a good laugh as well.
The idea of seperate EU citizenship is a non starter simply because the EU is not a soveriegn nation.

Annetje

Pulaski

Well considering how different the European Onion is in 2017 from the EEC/Common Market that the UK joined in 1973, the changes anticipated are entirely reasonable and very likely if the European politicians had their way! Indeed a number of them have already been discussed, including European armed forces, a European income tax (proposed on the basis that paying a common income tax would make people feel more engaged with the EU, and therefore more enthusiastic about it, yes, seriously ), and admitting Turkey into the EU.

bobd22

That has nothing to do with the EU. The UK health and social care is based on residency not contributions, that is UK Government choice not EU, most EU countries base it on contributions.

andy1133

Not going to happen unless the EU became a single nation. Just think of the confusion at border control. Whether you are an associate member of the EU or not, you will still only have a British passport. I don't see how Spanish border control would be able to differentiate.

AliceB

WELL SAID !
HERE HERE !
AT last, some sense on this forum; obviously someone who is well read and taken the time to educate themself on this subject, as opposed to listening to all the media lies.
Maybe if the remoaners would stop whinging for five minutes and look beyond their tv screen they might find out what you said is fact based, instead of trashing your post.
A great post, thank you.



ic;12169911]I love all this Brexit talk. Its as if the E.U. is a utopia that will never change! Both sides in the referendum lied, as Politicians always do. Remain or leave both gilded the lily. However Remain did not tell us of the changes that were in the pipeline if we remained. Would your children and grandchildren be conscripted into an EU army? Would we all have to pay the EU income tax on top of domestic income tax? Why does EU continue to allow poor countries to join it? Will Turkey join?
Why do we as guests in an EU country below state pension age get very little, whilst a French man can come to UK and claim, be treated free on HNS, have a taxpayer funded translator? Plus the welfare benefits!
It should be even across all EU statdes, but it is not and never will be. The UK pays a fortune and its the taxpayer that funds that fortune. The Corporations pay little or no tax, or pay it to another EU state.
If you wanted to live in Australia you'd have to emigrate.
I love spain and have had a house there for many years; hopefully I will continue to do so.
I am not against the people of Europe, but the politicians have a long long way to go before all people in Europe are treated the same.
All countries should pay the same membership fee, and if they can't they should not be considered for membership, similar to any golf club or any other organisation that charges a membership fee![/QUOTE]

AliceB

WOW, you are an aggressive little fellow, aren't you. Typical attude of a remoaner.
The fantastical one is you dear, actually believing the tripe spewed out by 'europe' and your fellow remoaner cronies.
Instead of being so sarcastic at other's viewpoints why not use some energy educating yourself on the history of the EU and it's plans going forward. Seriously man, you might actually learn something.
Happy days ....

Annetje

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Did you actually read and understand this reply ?


Concerning membership fees : I think it is based on GNI of the country, percentage of VAT income for that country and customs duties collected on behalf of the EU ... in my opinion, seems a fair way of doing it.

So not to be compared to a golf club membership fee !

andy1133

If the UK had a contributory system like the rest of Europe then we would not be in all this mess. That's the root of the problem.

Annetje

Agree

bobd22

That is a very valid point and one that the UK Government don't seem to want to explain, the problem with ability to access our social welfare and health system is it is residency based unlike many other EU countries. UK could apply same rules as Spain re Residency after 3 month stay, prove health cover income etc but they don't bother, had Cameron done this that would have appeased many that voted out.
By the way what is a remoaner? Someone who simply expresses an opinion on staying in the EU maybe? Wasn't the fact that Farage and his like kept moaning on for years about the EU the very reason we got the referendum? I suppose it depends which side of the line one site but for me it is a nasty and over used term used to try to prevent alternative points of view being expressed.

Fred James

I agree with you Bob. If the situation was reversed, no doubt the Mail and Express would have coined another derogatory term such as "Brexidiots".

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and should not need to have derogatory names attached to them just because opinions differ.

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bobd22

Of course another problem that the UK government of any party doesn't want to address if we did have a contributory system like many EU countries, what happens to our own home grown people that make a living from benefits having never worked or paid into the system?

chopera

One of the roots. The other one is the UK's belief they can control immigration though border-controls alone, instead of introducing id cards and strict residency controls for EU citizens as well as non-EU citizens (which is perfectly within the EU rules of course).