Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declaration
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Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declaration
Hi all,
I wonder if any tax wizards can guide me in the right direction.
I have had Spanish residency since October 2019 that coincided with me taking a job with a company in the Basque Country. The intention was that i relocate my family from the UK a few months after but obviously Covid prevented that from happening. I have been working remotely for this company since that time but will be relocating to the USA sometime around April next year. My employer has been making deductions at source but it cropped up in conversation last week that i haven't filled in a Spanish tax declaration. To be honest, i was totally unaware that i had to do this.
My employer is getting a little bit worried as clearly, if this has to be filed every year, I'm late.
However, it seems that since i have residency but have not been a resident, (other than for 2 months from November 19 until Jan 20), i can't just submit a standard declaration. I am quite happy to have paid tax to the Spanish government, so not looking to reverse any of the deductions made by my employer but just need to know what form i need to submit. I guess i would be classed as a non resident tax payer?
Thank you in advance
Mic
I wonder if any tax wizards can guide me in the right direction.
I have had Spanish residency since October 2019 that coincided with me taking a job with a company in the Basque Country. The intention was that i relocate my family from the UK a few months after but obviously Covid prevented that from happening. I have been working remotely for this company since that time but will be relocating to the USA sometime around April next year. My employer has been making deductions at source but it cropped up in conversation last week that i haven't filled in a Spanish tax declaration. To be honest, i was totally unaware that i had to do this.
My employer is getting a little bit worried as clearly, if this has to be filed every year, I'm late.
However, it seems that since i have residency but have not been a resident, (other than for 2 months from November 19 until Jan 20), i can't just submit a standard declaration. I am quite happy to have paid tax to the Spanish government, so not looking to reverse any of the deductions made by my employer but just need to know what form i need to submit. I guess i would be classed as a non resident tax payer?
Thank you in advance
Mic
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
So you appear to be saying that you were only a resident for approximately 4 months in Spain then returned to UK? During this time however your Spanish boss has been making SS payments etc? If so it is a bit of a mess but would be best dealt with by getting a gestor to sort it out. The hacienda will definitely want to know where you were paying tax if it wasn't Spain. If you have declared in UK then it will probably be okay as you could argue you were not a tax resident as under 183 days in Spain. However, if you haven't declared in UK and were resident in Spain ( irrespective of time limit) you will probably be assumed to have transferred financial centre there and will therefore be tax in Spain with any penalties that may or may not exist. So my advice is get a gestor or tax lawyer to sort it out ASAP
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
it is not only number of days spent in Spain that matters when determining tax residency. one may claim that the centre of your economic activity was Spain => you are tax resident in Spain. talk to Agencia tributaria, and if needed - submit the late tax return and pay a fine.
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Even if you are not tax resident any income earned in Spain is liable for tax. The same rules apply in the UK and most countries. Being non tax resident in a specific country does not mean you don’t pay tax in that country. The difference is that if you are tax resident in a country then you are liable for tax on your world wide income not just your income generated in that country.
Most people do not understand this and often assume that because they are not tax resident in Spain that they will not be liable for tax on income earned in Spain.
For example, a sportsman who wins a prize after spending two days in Spain will be liable for Spanish income tax as the income was earned in Spain.
Another example is a UK pension paid to a non resident. As the income is earned in the UK it is liable for tax in the UK. However in this case there is a specific clause in the tax agreement that says it can be paid free of UK tax. On the other hand, rental income from a property in the UK is taxable in the UK even if the income is paid to a non tax resident.
Most people do not understand this and often assume that because they are not tax resident in Spain that they will not be liable for tax on income earned in Spain.
For example, a sportsman who wins a prize after spending two days in Spain will be liable for Spanish income tax as the income was earned in Spain.
Another example is a UK pension paid to a non resident. As the income is earned in the UK it is liable for tax in the UK. However in this case there is a specific clause in the tax agreement that says it can be paid free of UK tax. On the other hand, rental income from a property in the UK is taxable in the UK even if the income is paid to a non tax resident.
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
So you appear to be saying that you were only a resident for approximately 4 months in Spain then returned to UK? During this time however your Spanish boss has been making SS payments etc? If so it is a bit of a mess but would be best dealt with by getting a gestor to sort it out. The hacienda will definitely want to know where you were paying tax if it wasn't Spain. If you have declared in UK then it will probably be okay as you could argue you were not a tax resident as under 183 days in Spain. However, if you haven't declared in UK and were resident in Spain ( irrespective of time limit) you will probably be assumed to have transferred financial centre there and will therefore be tax in Spain with any penalties that may or may not exist. So my advice is get a gestor or tax lawyer to sort it out ASAP
Yes, i was only a resident in Spain for a very short time, just over 2 months.
My Spanish employer was making all deductions so tax (etc) has already been paid in Spain.
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
it is not only number of days spent in Spain that matters when determining tax residency. one may claim that the centre of your economic activity was Spain => you are tax resident in Spain. talk to Agencia tributaria, and if needed - submit the late tax return and pay a fine.
Without a doubt, the centre of my economic activity was Spain.
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
Even if you are not tax resident any income earned in Spain is liable for tax. The same rules apply in the UK and most countries. Being non tax resident in a specific country does not mean you don’t pay tax in that country. The difference is that if you are tax resident in a country then you are liable for tax on your world wide income not just your income generated in that country.
Most people do not understand this and often assume that because they are not tax resident in Spain that they will not be liable for tax on income earned in Spain.
For example, a sportsman who wins a prize after spending two days in Spain will be liable for Spanish income tax as the income was earned in Spain.
Another example is a UK pension paid to a non resident. As the income is earned in the UK it is liable for tax in the UK. However in this case there is a specific clause in the tax agreement that says it can be paid free of UK tax. On the other hand, rental income from a property in the UK is taxable in the UK even if the income is paid to a non tax resident.
Most people do not understand this and often assume that because they are not tax resident in Spain that they will not be liable for tax on income earned in Spain.
For example, a sportsman who wins a prize after spending two days in Spain will be liable for Spanish income tax as the income was earned in Spain.
Another example is a UK pension paid to a non resident. As the income is earned in the UK it is liable for tax in the UK. However in this case there is a specific clause in the tax agreement that says it can be paid free of UK tax. On the other hand, rental income from a property in the UK is taxable in the UK even if the income is paid to a non tax resident.
As i mentioned in my subsequent posts, my employer has paid the relevant taxes etc. Therefore, in my mind, there isn't an issue with unpaid tax, it's simply a case that i haven't filed the relevant tax forms/declarations.
Am i okay to simply file whatever the standard declaration is and not get into whether i was living in Spain or not?
My employer is surprised that the tax authorities haven't chased me up (at the address i was registered at which was a friend's house). I'm guessing that the tax office couldn't have known i had left Spain back in Jan 2020?
Thanks again
Last edited by Rosemary; Oct 6th 2021 at 7:06 am. Reason: corrected quote
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
Thanks Fred,
As i mentioned in my subsequent posts, my employer has paid the relevant taxes etc. Therefore, in my mind, there isn't an issue with unpaid tax, it's simply a case that i haven't filed the relevant tax forms/declarations.
Am i okay to simply file whatever the standard declaration is and not get into whether i was living in Spain or not?
My employer is surprised that the tax authorities haven't chased me up (at the address i was registered at which was a friend's house). I'm guessing that the tax office couldn't have known i had left Spain back in Jan 2020?
Thanks again
As i mentioned in my subsequent posts, my employer has paid the relevant taxes etc. Therefore, in my mind, there isn't an issue with unpaid tax, it's simply a case that i haven't filed the relevant tax forms/declarations.
Am i okay to simply file whatever the standard declaration is and not get into whether i was living in Spain or not?
My employer is surprised that the tax authorities haven't chased me up (at the address i was registered at which was a friend's house). I'm guessing that the tax office couldn't have known i had left Spain back in Jan 2020?
Thanks again
Last edited by Rosemary; Oct 6th 2021 at 7:08 am. Reason: corrected quote
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
Therefore, can you guide me as to which form i should request, populate and return?
Many thanks
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But i'm guessing that if nothing is owed and all taxes are paid up to date, there would be no need for the authorities to check whether i was resident in Spain or UK at the time that the taxes were settled? Would it make a difference anyway?
Therefore, can you guide me as to which form i should request, populate and return?
Many thanks
Therefore, can you guide me as to which form i should request, populate and return?
Many thanks
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I'm embarrassed to say but my Spanish is still quite poor.
I have a Spanish colleague who speaks fluent English, he is happy to translate and fill in the tax declaration on my behalf. However, can anyone advise as to which form i need to fill in considering that i was only in Spain for very short while or would this fact be irrelevant as long as the Spanish government have been paid the correct amount of tax?
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Re: Receiving a PAYE salary in Spain (Basque) but have not filed a tax declarati
Thanks Chipmonk and everyone else.
I'm embarrassed to say but my Spanish is still quite poor.
I have a Spanish colleague who speaks fluent English, he is happy to translate and fill in the tax declaration on my behalf. However, can anyone advise as to which form i need to fill in considering that i was only in Spain for very short while or would this fact be irrelevant as long as the Spanish government have been paid the correct amount of tax?
Best
I'm embarrassed to say but my Spanish is still quite poor.
I have a Spanish colleague who speaks fluent English, he is happy to translate and fill in the tax declaration on my behalf. However, can anyone advise as to which form i need to fill in considering that i was only in Spain for very short while or would this fact be irrelevant as long as the Spanish government have been paid the correct amount of tax?
Best
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I think the basic declaration is modelo 100. It will be irrelevant how long in so far as you just need to make a declaration so that it can be connected to the money your boss has paid. The level of importance will no doubt depend on exactly how much you earned over the period your boss was making deductions but essentially if you say tax has already been collected then it should be okay and the declaration will just assist them.in getting everything organized. I assume you have been paying tax in UK if you stopped after you left Spain? If you haven't then you will have problems with Spain as they will see that as avoidance' so just make sure you have proof from HMRC if that is the case.
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I think it can make a difference in that if you haven't declared your income in Spain nor in UK then the Spanish tax man will consider it deliberate tax avoidance.