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Old Apr 12th 2012, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by bobd22
I have e mailed that link to see if I can get clarification if I get any I will post it, there is off course a chance they won't give the info without paying for it!
But that article (link) says nothing about them expiring - only that they have to be applied for in person.

So no confusion there at all.
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Old Apr 12th 2012, 12:05 am
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Originally Posted by lynnxa
if they don't visit they are hardly going to need a new NIE cert. every few months, are they?? Their number won't change.



I can't remember the last time I actually had to show my NIE cert for anything
So does this apply to all NIE certificates or just newly issued ones? Can't recall having to produce mine in the last 9 years.
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Old Apr 12th 2012, 12:13 am
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Default Re: Read in two places today, New Laws re NIE

Originally Posted by montgomail
So does this apply to all NIE certificates or just newly issued ones? Can't recall having to produce mine in the last 9 years.
exactly - you hardly ever need to show it to anyone

it seems it's just newly issued (non-res) ones which have an expiry date printed on them

the old ones don't have that date so I can't imagine how anyone could claim it had expired

and in any case the actual number is for life, as we know
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Default Re: Read in two places today, New Laws re NIE

Originally Posted by snikpoh
But that article (link) says nothing about them expiring - only that they have to be applied for in person.

So no confusion there at all.
Snikpoh that link mentions that on the bottom of the new NIE certificate it states valid for 3 months, not the number but the certificate, the old certificates don't say this, so as you say no confusuion there bag of nails springs to my mind.
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Old Apr 12th 2012, 1:05 am
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Default Re: Read in two places today, New Laws re NIE

Originally Posted by pwwm
I have seen this twice today, one was from a scrappy local mag and the other , I have quoted below from a lawyers blog.
My view, how on earth is it going to work, queues will abound, if true am sure will creat more problems than save. ssee below.



"The police have changed the system regarding NIE Certificates.



Up until now they did not need to be renewed, however they will now expire after 3 months and have to be renewed personally; no longer can someone else apply for your certificate with a power of attorney.



For those of you that are spending more time in Spain than your home country we highly recommend that you apply for a certificate of residence. This does not need to be renewed"
I don't understand what the problem is with NIE's. If you are more or less permanently resident, then you simply show your residence document when applying for the NIE. Once issued, it's for life.
The residence document, I think, is what is called here "un padron" which you get from your local Ayuntamiento. When they stamp it, you are then "empadonado" or classed as 'registered'.
If I were you, I'd not do it via a Gestor, or similar. Do it yourself, then you learn the process & maybe save yourself some money.

hope that is useful.

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Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
I don't understand what the problem is with NIE's. If you are more or less permanently resident, then you simply show your residence document when applying for the NIE. Once issued, it's for life.
The residence document, I think, is what is called here "un padron" which you get from your local Ayuntamiento. When they stamp it, you are then "empadonado" or classed as 'registered'.
If I were you, I'd not do it via a Gestor, or similar. Do it yourself, then you learn the process & maybe save yourself some money.

hope that is useful.
The residence document is totally separate from the padron.

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Default Re: Read in two places today, New Laws re NIE

Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
I don't understand what the problem is with NIE's. If you are more or less permanently resident, then you simply show your residence document when applying for the NIE. Once issued, it's for life.
The residence document, I think, is what is called here "un padron" which you get from your local Ayuntamiento. When they stamp it, you are then "empadonado" or classed as 'registered'.
If I were you, I'd not do it via a Gestor, or similar. Do it yourself, then you learn the process & maybe save yourself some money.

hope that is useful.
The problem is for non residents, clearly.
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Default Re: Read in two places today, New Laws re NIE

Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
I don't understand what the problem is with NIE's. If you are more or less permanently resident, then you simply show your residence document when applying for the NIE. Once issued, it's for life.
The residence document, I think, is what is called here "un padron" which you get from your local Ayuntamiento. When they stamp it, you are then "empadonado" or classed as 'registered'.
If I were you, I'd not do it via a Gestor, or similar. Do it yourself, then you learn the process & maybe save yourself some money.

hope that is useful.
no - you're getting everything confused...........

if you want to buy property as a non-resident, you need a NIE - the non-resident certificate now apparently has an expiry date

if you are resident you have to register as such at the local extranjería or foreigners office (which might be in a police station)- in some areas you can get a NIE at the same time, in others you have to apply for a NIE & then go back to register as resident (as a foreigner)

the 'padrón' is a list of people living in the town & you empadronar at the ayuntamiento............ nothing to do with getting a resident cert/NIE number- everyone living in a town has to do this, even Spanish citizens (who of course don't have to register as resident at the foreigner's office)
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Originally Posted by montgomail
The problem is for non residents, clearly.
but not that much of a problem really............
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Originally Posted by lynnxa
but not that much of a problem really............
... only in that there isn't much hope of getting a financial transation sorted out on a short break, if it meant renewal of the old document. This IS Spain we're talking about ... the rules will change accordingly.
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Originally Posted by montgomail
... only in that there isn't much hope of getting a financial transation sorted out on a short break, if it meant renewal of the old document. This IS Spain we're talking about ... the rules will change accordingly.
exactly

I suspect that when we eventually hear of someone actually going torenew the cert., we'll hear that it's done on the spot just as a new 'padrón' cert is, though - a nuisance to be sure, but not too time-consuming

and to be fair - mostly 'they' just want the number - how often do they actually ask to see the cert.?
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Originally Posted by lynnxa
exactly

I suspect that when we eventually hear of someone actually going torenew the cert., we'll hear that it's done on the spot just as a new 'padrón' cert is, though - a nuisance to be sure, but not too time-consuming
I spent a whole morning sorting out an error on my community fees and arranging for the meter man to call from Aqualia; everything seems to take ages! However, I had the time and it was sorted. Have to accept that is the downside of being a non resident.
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Originally Posted by montgomail
I spent a whole morning sorting out an error on my community fees and arranging for the meter man to call from Aqualia; everything seems to take ages! However, I had the time and it was sorted. Have to accept that is the downside of being a non resident.
yes it can seem that way, can't it!!

what I meant though was that I bet it won't be a case of several visits to the extranjería therefore taking up several days of a holiday - just a morning or at worst a day
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Originally Posted by Rosemary
The residence document is totally separate from the padron.

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I must check, but I don't think I've got a residence permit. Whether it's because the house is in my wife's name, who is Spanish, I don't know.
What does a residence permit look like??
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Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
I must check, but I don't think I've got a residence permit. Whether it's because the house is in my wife's name, who is Spanish, I don't know.
What does a residence permit look like??
mine's a green A4 piece of paper, but that has changed recently too to either an A5 paper or in some areas a 'credit card' type thing

it's not a permit exactly - just a record that you are registered as resident at the extranjería
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