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olivefarmer Mar 25th 2013 4:40 pm

Re gassing a fridge
 
Anyone ever had this done in Spain?

Is it done by an air con engineer or by a white goods repair person? Or sub contracted out by white goods repair man!

Symptoms are compressor on all the time and hot, top of fridge frozen. Doesn't switch off even with thermostat turned down to Min.

snikpoh Mar 25th 2013 4:56 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 10623004)
Anyone ever had this done in Spain?

Is it done by an air con engineer or by a white goods repair person? Or sub contracted out by white goods repair man!

Symptoms are compressor on all the time and hot, top of fridge frozen. Doesn't switch off even with thermostat turned down to Min.

We've done it both ways - called in a repair man and also taken one to a workshop to be 'repaired'.


In both cases it was a white goods repair service.

tim1963 Mar 25th 2013 6:17 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 
I don't think you have a "gas" problem, I think you have a thermostat issue. If the problem was no refrigerant it wouldn't get cold.


Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 10623004)
Anyone ever had this done in Spain?

Is it done by an air con engineer or by a white goods repair person? Or sub contracted out by white goods repair man!

Symptoms are compressor on all the time and hot, top of fridge frozen. Doesn't switch off even with thermostat turned down to Min.


Domino Mar 25th 2013 8:35 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 
concur.
although it may be the copper constantan thermocouple that is detecting the temperature

same problem happens with gas central heating boilers, but more often as they are detecting heat rather than cold

if you can get a meter across the thermocouple sensing temp set meter to continuity/resistance and see if you get a reading - if it is zero or less then the thermocouple is shot.

how much is a new fridge ??

rgds

olivefarmer Mar 26th 2013 11:59 am

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 
3- 400 euros?

Sadly I don't live in the " just throw it away and buy another world". I'll get a thermostat (20 euros) and try that after Easter.

Haven't got a meter.

Domino Mar 26th 2013 5:16 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 10624482)
3- 400 euros?

Sadly I don't live in the " just throw it away and buy another world". I'll get a thermostat (20 euros) and try that after Easter.

Haven't got a meter.

remember your old science lessons ?
if no meter to measure continuity then get a car light bulb, a PP3 battery and a couple of pieces of electric string.
if the light bulb lights you have continuity across the thermocouple "hot junction"

:fingerscrossed:

tech note -

with the low cost "throw away" copper constantan thermocouples, they are made by taking a piece of soft copper tubing, filling with a non-conductive powder and forcing a piece of constantan wire down the centre. welding/soldering at one end forms the hot junction. Some have used no powder and an insulating sleeve on the inner conductor

no animals will be injured in the carrying out of this exercise
.

Fredbargate Mar 26th 2013 5:35 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10625046)
remember your old science lessons ?
if no meter to measure continuity then get a car light bulb, a PP3 battery and a couple of pieces of electric string.
if the light bulb lights you have continuity across the thermocouple "hot junction"

:fingerscrossed:

tech note - .

Remember Confucius, he says go to Chinese shop, buy test meter less than €5

Domino Mar 26th 2013 5:38 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 10625071)
Remember Confucius, he says go to Chinese shop, buy test meter less than €5

wot !?!
when I have all the bits to make a light bulb thingy
;)

and I would never trust a Chinese meter - will be glad when I can get to my Avo Model 8
:thumbup:

amideislas Mar 27th 2013 9:00 am

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10625077)
wot !?!
when I have all the bits to make a light bulb thingy
;)

and I would never trust a Chinese meter - will be glad when I can get to my Avo Model 8
:thumbup:

Erm, isn't that model made in China?

Oh, sorry, "assembled" in Germany or somewhere, so they can get 3000% more for Germans snapping the lid on it. I'm sure that makes it a whole lot better.

Fredbargate Mar 27th 2013 11:12 am

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10625077)
wot !?!
when I have all the bits to make a light bulb thingy
;)

and I would never trust a Chinese meter - will be glad when I can get to my Avo Model 8
:thumbup:

Juan Jose says go to Leroy Merlin buy multimeter €15, made in China.
or go to local shop buy light bulb and electric string €7.50 made in China.

Long time since I've seen an Avo ;)

Domino Mar 27th 2013 12:19 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 10626413)
Juan Jose says go to Leroy Merlin buy multimeter €15, made in China.
or go to local shop buy light bulb and electric string €7.50 made in China.

Long time since I've seen an Avo ;)

remember seeing a brass key ring with the Union Flag on it and Made in England across the centre. On the back, poorly stamped it said "Made in China"

I wonder, did the rest of the world feel the same way about our manufacturing for the world as we now do about the Chinese. :confused:

Fredbargate Mar 27th 2013 12:50 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10626529)
I wonder, did the rest of the world feel the same way about our manufacturing for the world as we now do about the Chinese. :confused:

I believe the Japanese named one of their towns Sheffield so they could put Made in Sheffield on cutlery.

Rotor Mar 27th 2013 1:31 pm

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 

Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 10623004)
Anyone ever had this done in Spain?

Is it done by an air con engineer or by a white goods repair person? Or sub contracted out by white goods repair man!

Symptoms are compressor on all the time and hot, top of fridge frozen. Doesn't switch off even with thermostat turned down to Min.

Had a big old double door fridge re gassed about 8 years ago ,120 euros inc call out, worth it as fridges that size are a fortune new.

sensationalfrog Mar 28th 2013 1:53 am

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 
allways good to have very useful out of date info,and you call me a scumbag?
regassing a fridge,prob costs the guy 30 euros

Domino Mar 28th 2013 7:02 am

Re: Re gassing a fridge
 
The refrigerant gas R22 was very common in all sorts of applications including white goods. But this has been found to be carcinogenic and bad for the ozone layer as with other less common CFC/HCFC gases.
The Montreal Protocol of 1985 called for a halt to the use of such gases and of course the EU took it under its wing and legislated in 2000 for a phased withdrawal of such gases.
Since 2010 there have been no virgin stocks of R22 and the name of the game has been for repairers to recycle where appropriate. As time goes by this means the gas available will become dirtier (causing compressor problems) and more expensive as demand increases.

What has this got to do with me :confused: you ask........
If you have old refrigeration equipment gassed with R22 you may find it impossible to get it regassed. This applies to Fridges, Freezers and AC units.
The new "safer" gases require different pressures and cool at, generally, higher temperatures, so regassing an old unit can cause other problems.

All I am saying is, if there is nothing wrong with a unit and it retains all its gas then fine. If it requires regassing expect problems.

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