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Dick Dasterdly Dec 16th 2015 7:20 am

Rajoy gets Smacked
 
Video: Spain PM punched in the head during campaign appearance - Telegraph

Fell for the sucker punch.
Some kid pretended he wanted his photo taken with Rajoy, before giving him a whack in the mush.
Looks like a visit to specsavers will be in order now.:lol:

amideislas Dec 16th 2015 7:39 am

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Tread lightly Dick,

Rajoy is about as "right" as any Spanish politician gets, and things have demonstrably improved under his watch (although nobody would admit that). The theoretical "replacement" is the likes of Podemos. But on the upside, you'd be having a forum heyday as Spain goes down in flames.

Dick Dasterdly Dec 16th 2015 8:45 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11815604)
Tread lightly Dick,

Rajoy is about as "right" as any Spanish politician gets, and things have demonstrably improved under his watch (although nobody would admit that). The theoretical "replacement" is the likes of Podemos. But on the upside, you'd be having a forum heyday as Spain goes down in flames.

Well he has you fooled at least.
His disrespect and lack of compassion for common people has been shocking.
In real terms unemployment is as bad as ever it was.
Taking into account temporary slave labour jobs at slave labour wages and the numbers who have left Spain to find work elsewhere, nothing much has changed and the true unemployment levels are a disgrace.
He may point to improved growth figures, but most folk see no benefit at all and in real terms most are much worse off than when he took office.
Some of the new gagging laws he has introduced are reminiscent of Franco.
He may be able to treat most of the population like dirt, but basically he is still Merkels puppet.

Oops, I hope those comments haven't put me in line for another 30,000 euro fine.

http://www.lacuna.org.uk/openlacuna/...st-generation/
The Lost Generation.

amideislas Dec 16th 2015 9:16 am

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So what's your solution? Podemos? If you think people are poor now...

Longlegpete Dec 16th 2015 10:13 am

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Rajoy is for me the best of a bad bunch, it can't be denied the economy in Spain has improved under his control reguarless of how you spin it

Dick Dasterdly Dec 16th 2015 10:20 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11815702)
So what's your solution? Podemos? If you think people are poor now...

No, Podemos have shot their bolt, though they never were a viable alternative anyway.

Apart from the points I mentioned, the two main parties still stink to high heaven with corruption, though unfortunately quite a lot of Spanish look upon it as the norm and I fear in that respect Spain will never change.

What about these guys ?
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/20...as-spanish-pm/

Another point I failed to mention is how Rajoy is controlling much of the media output.
He had his own people put in place to partly control the output on
National stations and it's been obvious the last few years how the newsrags have been terrified to be too critical of him as they're aware of the consequences.
He seems to get about 90% coverage, while other leaders have been pushed into the background and hardly get a sniff.
Political Demonstrations are almost a thing of the past as well, or if they do dare to risk the wrath of the heavy handed cops, little if any is available for public viewing.
He's little more than a modern day version of Franco in my book, the only thing missing is the firing squads.

Retired in Euskadi Dec 16th 2015 6:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11815758)
No, Podemos have shot their bolt, though they never were a viable alternative anyway.

Apart from the points I mentioned, the two main parties still stink to high heaven with corruption, though unfortunately quite a lot of Spanish look upon it as the norm and I fear in that respect Spain will never change.

What about these guys ?
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/20...as-spanish-pm/

Another point I failed to mention is how Rajoy is controlling much of the media output.
He had his own people put in place to partly control the output on
National stations and it's been obvious the last few years how the newsrags have been terrified to be too critical of him as they're aware of the consequences.
He seems to get about 90% coverage, while other leaders have been pushed into the background and hardly get a sniff.
Political Demonstrations are almost a thing of the past as well, or if they do dare to risk the wrath of the heavy handed cops, little if any is available for public viewing.
He's little more than a modern day version of Franco in my book, the only thing missing is the firing squads.

Too true.
That's why Ana Pastor quit her job with TVE1 before she was pushed; Cospedal had complained that Ana Pastor's questions were "too aggressive".
If only there were a Jeremy Paxman or John Humphries.

Fredbargate Dec 16th 2015 7:06 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11815702)
So what's your solution? Podemos? If you think people are poor now...

My solution would be Fabian Picardo

Bri and Katee Dec 16th 2015 7:15 pm

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Rajoy is nothing more than the Spanish Cameron.

Good for those who have money and highly paid jobs. To the millions of ordinary people living day to day, he is a dangerous nightmare who cares not one iota whether they survive or not.

rachelk Dec 16th 2015 10:47 pm

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Here's what ABC made of it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWYie9SWUAAfxkY.jpg

olivefarmer Dec 16th 2015 11:20 pm

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no matter what you think of his policies, it was wrong to punch him. I hope the yob gets an appropriate sentence.

There has been some good coverage of the Spanish election on Euronews (508 on Sky)

rachelk Dec 16th 2015 11:28 pm

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Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 11816129)
no matter what you think of his policies, it was wrong to punch him.

Yes but I think too much is being read into it. The yob was a 17 yr old kid.

Bigmomma1 Dec 16th 2015 11:38 pm

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 11816141)
Yes but I think too much is being read into it. The yob was a 17 yr old kid.

And that makes a physical assault on another person acceptable then ??

newpower Dec 17th 2015 12:33 am

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Originally Posted by Bigmomma1 (Post 11816156)
And that makes a physical assault on another person acceptable then ??

Not acceptable but understandable.

rachelk Dec 17th 2015 12:34 am

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Originally Posted by Bigmomma1 (Post 11816156)
And that makes a physical assault on another person acceptable then ??

Now you're reading too much into what I said.

Of course it's not acceptable, but it's being used to generalise criticism against the other parties in a stupid way (and no, I don't mean here, I mean on social media and by some sectors of the press).


Turns out the young yob is the son of Rajoy's wife's cousin.

Dick Dasterdly Dec 17th 2015 12:36 am

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Originally Posted by newpower (Post 11816201)
Not acceptable but understandable.


Quite.

rachelk Dec 17th 2015 12:54 am

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 11816202)


Turns out the young yob is the son of Rajoy's wife's cousin.

El agresor, familia de la mujer de Rajoy | Elecciones 2015 - El Plural

Bigmomma1 Dec 17th 2015 1:44 am

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Originally Posted by newpower (Post 11816201)
Not acceptable but understandable.

Why 'understandable' ?

There may be some that think that groups turning to acts of violence, whilst not acceptable is understandable !!

rachelk Dec 17th 2015 1:48 am

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Originally Posted by Bigmomma1 (Post 11816259)

There may be some that think that groups turning to acts of violence, whilst not acceptable is understandable !!


Understandable or not, this wasn't a group. It was one young lad.

Bigmomma1 Dec 17th 2015 1:55 am

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 11816262)
Understandable or not, this wasn't a group. It was one young lad.

But the principle is the same is it not ? using violence against another person is not acceptable even if it is just one person against another. For example, you are walking down the street and see someone voicing an opinion that you do not agree with, so it is okay to walk across and hit them in the face is it ? I am sorry, but perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

rachelk Dec 17th 2015 1:58 am

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I think you're misinterpreting me again. I don't think we're disagreeing at all on whether it's acceptable to lamp someone you disagree with.

What I'm taking issue with is the number of people who were so keen to attribute this to a group of some kind (as you have just done) without any evidence whatsoever.

Bigmomma1 Dec 17th 2015 2:05 am

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 11816267)
I think you're misinterpreting me again. I don't think we're disagreeing at all on whether it's acceptable to lamp someone you disagree with.

What I'm taking issue with is the number of people who were so keen to attribute this to a group of some kind (as you have just done) without any evidence whatsoever.

No I wasn't attributing this recent incident to a group. It was the response to the statement that the 'violence' was 'understandable'. Where does violence start, where does it end. In this case probably it ends now as a one off, but in lots of other cases a single act of violence can escalate very quickly so, in my own personal opinion, no act of violence such as this incident is acceptable.

rachelk Dec 17th 2015 2:08 am

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Originally Posted by Bigmomma1 (Post 11816270)
No I wasn't attributing this recent incident to a group..

Ah, I see,. It was this that confused me.


Originally Posted by Bigmomma1 (Post 11816259)

groups turning to acts of violence,


Bigmomma1 Dec 17th 2015 2:21 am

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 11816274)
Ah, I see,. It was this that confused me.

The 'groups' reference I made was in the context of 'Violence' and the statement, 'Not Acceptable but understandable'.

We could end up getting tied in knots here ;)

Dick Dasterdly Dec 17th 2015 4:18 am

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The O.P.s original remark in relation to this single incident was "not acceptable but understandable" and he/she neither used the word violence or indicated that all violence was understandable.

No matter how much we all abhor violence, there are very few amongst us who do not have a breaking point where we snap and the red mist comes down.

We as expats probably have little comprehension regarding what some people have gone through over the past eight years and even now still see no prospect of any improvement in their own lives.
The younger ones are now commonly referred to as the lost generation.
Rajoys attitude to those in deepest trouble has been little more than callous.
For instance consider all those who have been thrown out of their own houses onto the streets through no fault of their own and also consider the resultant suicides.
Rajoy was very happy to protect the banks come what may,at the expense of people's lives.
What this particular lad or his family have gone through, we may never know, but obviously it has become much more than he personally could bear without responding, hence this particular incident.

rachelk Dec 17th 2015 4:31 am

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Dick, this poor lad is from a relatively wealthy family, PP supporters. His mother is the cousin of Rajoy's wife. See above. Sounds like he has his problems though.

marcbernard Dec 17th 2015 5:14 am

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It is remarkable that in UK both Ian and Duncan Smith haven´t been smacked too!

petew Dec 17th 2015 11:10 am

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[QUOTE=Dick Dasterdly;11815674]..................Some of the new gagging laws he has introduced are reminiscent of Franco ........Oops, I hope those comments haven't put me in line for another 30,000 euro fine.). His despicable attempts to gag free speech and peaceful protest have put him beyond the Pale as far as I am concerned

Cats-R-Us Dec 17th 2015 9:00 pm

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I think I may be missing the point but if the young man is a relative and he wanted to hit him why not do it in private - could it have been a publicity stunt?

davidinspain Dec 20th 2015 5:44 am

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Some sackings in his security team possibly?


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