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Rosemary Sep 21st 2020 9:33 am

Proof of life
 
Unfortunately I have received the "proof of life" form. The letter is dated 21st August and they state that I have one month in which to return it but it only arrived on 18th September so that is not attainable anyway. Due to my age and existing health issues I have been in isolation or house arrest as I prefer to call it since the beginning of the restrictions in March yet I am expected to put my life in danger by visiting the town hall to gain the witness signature. I have sent them an e-mail but I suspect that this will be ignored so will have to bear the cost of a phone call.

Has anyone successfully appealed against being put at risk?

Rosemary

Leper Sep 21st 2020 12:58 pm

Re: Proof of life
 
Rosemary, With due respects, all you have to do is travel to the City Hall and have your signature witnessed by an official there. It is essential travel for an essential purpose. I recommend you just get on with it and get it done.

We had enough of holidaymakers making it to Spain this year despite the debacle on the beaches of Bournemouth (not to mention the behaviour of specific UK politicians) and them feeling they were safer in Spain than the UK. I reckon your risk is minute.

Loafing Along Sep 21st 2020 1:25 pm

Re: Proof of life
 

Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 12912547)
Unfortunately I have received the "proof of life" form. The letter is dated 21st August and they state that I have one month in which to return it but it only arrived on 18th September so that is not attainable anyway. Due to my age and existing health issues I have been in isolation or house arrest as I prefer to call it since the beginning of the restrictions in March yet I am expected to put my life in danger by visiting the town hall to gain the witness signature. I have sent them an e-mail but I suspect that this will be ignored so will have to bear the cost of a phone call.

Has anyone successfully appealed against being put at risk?

Rosemary

Double check the one month ! I received mine at the same time , assuming you are talking UK pension, and it clearly states 16 weeks from date of letter , 3rd August 2020 ). Agian, if UK, you can get a doctor or similar to sign it . I paid a private GP practise to do it.

Rosemary Sep 21st 2020 2:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Loafing Along (Post 12912620)
Double check the one month ! I received mine at the same time , assuming you are talking UK pension, and it clearly states 16 weeks from date of letter , 3rd August 2020 ). Agian, if UK, you can get a doctor or similar to sign it . I paid a private GP practise to do it.

I have messaged the pension people who sent me the letter and they have given me another month to get my signature witnessed.

Rosemary

Rosemary Sep 21st 2020 2:40 pm

Re: Proof of life
 

Originally Posted by Leper (Post 12912608)
Rosemary, With due respects, all you have to do is travel to the City Hall and have your signature witnessed by an official there. It is essential travel for an essential purpose. I recommend you just get on with it and get it done.

We had enough of holidaymakers making it to Spain this year despite the debacle on the beaches of Bournemouth (not to mention the behaviour of specific UK politicians) and them feeling they were safer in Spain than the UK. I reckon your risk is minute.

Easy for you to say to go to the town hall to get it done but as I have already said I am high risk so I do not really want to put myself in that sort of danger.

Rosemary

stevesainty Sep 21st 2020 3:28 pm

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I get one every year and I found it very difficult to get it done. On the face of it is very easy as it asks that you use a bank, doctor solicitor etc. I tried all avenues and they all refused as the form was in English. In the end I got a notary to give me a declaration in Spanish that they had seen me and my passport, they then used their notary stamp, half on the statement and half on the form to prove continuity. Incredibly my pension provider, initially, refused to accept it as it was in Spanish even though I had translated it for them. In the end I rang them and said if they want to check the translation, they could run it through Google, that seemed to sort it.
The following year they added an extra person who could do the verifying, another pensioner with the same company. As I have an ex colleague who is a swallow, I got him to do it.
However, because of covid, my ex colleague will not be coming this year so I will be back to square one if I am asked for proof of life this year.
I had not thought about using a private clinic, as suggested by a previous poster, maybe I could try that.

In your case Rosemary, do you not know of a policeman, doctor, or councillor that could perhaps visit you and do it over the threshold, so to speak, to minimise contact. As a last resort, tongue in cheek, you could call the bomberos and pretend to have a fire, they were on my form as a possible verifyer. LOL.

Rosemary Sep 21st 2020 3:38 pm

Re: Proof of life
 

Originally Posted by stevesainty (Post 12912679)
I get one every year and I found it very difficult to get it done. On the face of it is very easy as it asks that you use a bank, doctor solicitor etc. I tried all avenues and they all refused as the form was in English. In the end I got a notary to give me a declaration in Spanish that they had seen me and my passport, they then used their notary stamp, half on the statement and half on the form to prove continuity. Incredibly my pension provider, initially, refused to accept it as it was in Spanish even though I had translated it for them. In the end I rang them and said if they want to check the translation, they could run it through Google, that seemed to sort it.
The following year they added an extra person who could do the verifying, another pensioner with the same company. As I have an ex colleague who is a swallow, I got him to do it.
However, because of covid, my ex colleague will not be coming this year so I will be back to square one if I am asked for proof of life this year.
I had not thought about using a private clinic, as suggested by a previous poster, maybe I could try that.

In your case Rosemary, do you not know of a policeman, doctor, or councillor that could perhaps visit you and do it over the threshold, so to speak, to minimise contact. As a last resort, tongue in cheek, you could call the bomberos and pretend to have a fire, they were on my form as a possible verifyer. LOL.

Wow, thinking outside off the box, impressive.

Since starting the thread I have remembered a police man who would come to my house to do it for me. I will have to translate the form for him first though.

Rosemary

lyric030250 Sep 21st 2020 4:47 pm

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My pension provider accepts a phone interview, easy.

megmet Sep 22nd 2020 4:56 pm

Re: Proof of life
 
They would have sent you a reminder before stopping your payment, they did with me.

missile Sep 22nd 2020 5:33 pm

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I had similar. I made a complaint and they waived the requirement.

Rosemary Sep 22nd 2020 5:57 pm

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Just realised that I did not say that it is not state pension. It is a government pension which is peanuts anyway.

Rosemary

gill556 Sep 23rd 2020 2:58 am

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I get a neighbour to sign mine, it just asks for someone who has known you for at least 2 years who is not related or living at the same address.

rafikiphoto Sep 23rd 2020 8:10 am

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Originally Posted by gill556 (Post 12913229)
I get a neighbour to sign mine, it just asks for someone who has known you for at least 2 years who is not related or living at the same address.

Mine too.

Rosemary Sep 23rd 2020 8:31 am

Re: Proof of life
 

Originally Posted by gill556 (Post 12913229)
I get a neighbour to sign mine, it just asks for someone who has known you for at least 2 years who is not related or living at the same address.

They are asking for Lawyer, Justice of the Peace, Doctor, Permanent Civil Servant or other Public Notary who knows you in a personal or professional capacity. Seems like it is not only Spain that has different expectations at different offices!!!!!!

Rosemary

bobd22 Sep 23rd 2020 9:23 am

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A couple of years ago I was asked to sign one for a friend. It was accepted without issue.

dmu Sep 23rd 2020 2:16 pm

Re: Proof of life
 

Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 12912657)
Easy for you to say to go to the town hall to get it done but as I have already said I am high risk so I do not really want to put myself in that sort of danger.

Rosemary

Hi from France! I'm in the same position as you, and hesitate to go to the Town Hall where I've been going until the Covid era. To my surprize, I discovered "physiotherapist" among the possibles, and mine will gladly sign the declaration at my next appointment....

Rosemary Sep 23rd 2020 2:35 pm

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Originally Posted by dmu (Post 12913363)
Hi from France! I'm in the same position as you, and hesitate to go to the Town Hall where I've been going until the Covid era. To my surprize, I discovered "physiotherapist" among the possibles, and mine will gladly sign the declaration at my next appointment....


Brilliant.

The policeman that I was going to approach is working away at the moment so I contacted a person that I know in the town hall to ask if we could arrange an appointment time to get it done as I do not want to be there with others. An appointment was made by them for me to go to see the Justice of Peace at the Police station because it is not something that they can do themselves.

Rosemary

Rosemary Sep 24th 2020 7:52 pm

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I now have the proof of life form completed by the Justice of Peace to send to the pension office. As an added bonus I also have a lovely official print out for Spain. I wondered why he was asking me some silly questions about my mother and father and my present status. Both of the papers of course have the all important rubber stamp that they love so much here.

Rosemary

missile Sep 24th 2020 9:24 pm

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Good result. It helps to have friends in high places :-)

Rosemary Sep 24th 2020 11:43 pm

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Originally Posted by missile (Post 12914075)
Good result. It helps to have friends in high places :-)

So true. I had a shock when I saw who the JP was because I am fairly friendly with his wife who works with the person that I contacted at the town hall so at various events when we see each other we have nodded hello to each other for years but never talked. Strange world.

Rosemary

bob_bob Sep 26th 2020 11:52 am

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Rosemary, lockdown is not the end of the world. I'm 65, asthma, COPD high risk but I've been out, been and had bloods taken, had an eye exam and even been to Tesco. Wear your mask, social distance, clean your hands, don't mess with the mask when your wearing it and really clean yourself when you get home.

My wife has gone out of retirement and back into mental nursing because the service is busier now than ever. Three areas are on the up, paranoia, anxiety attacks and agoraphobia, people are becoming frightened at the prospect of leaving their homes.

Wear your mask, follow the rules and get out of the house IMHO.

bobd22 Sep 27th 2020 3:06 pm

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From the latest DWP info page re life certificates. It states that anyone of any nationality can certify these main thing is they must have known you for at least 2 years and be able to recognise you. Its the same rules as for passport photo signatures per the link. It then also outlines certain professions that can sign. However it doesn't say it has to be one of these professions so it could be a friend or neighbour but not anyone related to you.
https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-...-circumstances

Notdunroamin Sep 29th 2020 5:46 am

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I had one of these maybe 6 or 7 years back whilst living in France, my pharmacist happily signed it for me.

True she spoke perfect English so knew what what she was signing but she was also very familiar with the document having signed many of them for other customers, she was the 'go to' authority for everyone in the area.

Must say though it seems highly unusual to be getting one every year!

Lynn R Sep 29th 2020 8:33 am

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Originally Posted by Notdunroamin (Post 12915683)
Must say though it seems highly unusual to be getting one every year!


My husband has had to get one certified every year for the past 11 years for the County Council his Local Government pension comes from.

stevesainty Sep 29th 2020 8:37 am

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Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 12915719)
My husband has had to get one certified every year for the past 11 years for the County Council his Local Government pension comes from.

Me too, same reason. A bit discriminatory though, if I lived in UK I would not get one; the office told me that specifically.

Rosemary Sep 29th 2020 8:49 am

Re: Proof of life
 

Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 12915719)
My husband has had to get one certified every year for the past 11 years for the County Council his Local Government pension comes from.

This is the first time that I have had to complete the form so the County Council that my pension comes from appears to have let me off the hook until now but I suspect that now that it has started I may receive one every year.

Rosemary

mikelincs Sep 29th 2020 8:57 am

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Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 12915731)
This is the first time that I have had to complete the form so the County Council that my pension comes from appears to have let me off the hook until now but I suspect that now that it has started I may receive one every year.

Rosemary

I suspect that ALL expat pensioners living in the EU are likely to get one. You don't get on living in the UK because, should you die, when the death is registered one of the forms the person reporting the death signs is for them to let all statuary bodies know of the death, so DWP, local council, etc.

Lynn R Sep 29th 2020 9:14 am

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Practices seem to differ widely between different pension providers. My former employer's scheme (a trade union) sends me a simple form to complete just to confirm that my address and phone details are correct, only needs to be signed by me. I've had one proof of life form from the Civil Service pension scheme in 4 years. I think my husband has had one from the DWP in respect of his state pension in 6 years, but as I said earlier gets one every year from the County Council Pensions Department, but none at all from Legal & General who pay his annuity pension from a former private sector employer. All of the above whilst we've been living outside the UK.

Notdunroamin Sep 29th 2020 11:30 am

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I don't have any public body pensions but I can imagine those being more closely or frequently monitored than others.


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