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scampicat Apr 27th 2012 4:13 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10028807)
With respect, so much of what you have written comes across as simple assertions, guesses or wishes. Many believers seem to insist that one can never truly know God, but so many seem to think they do. I understand your logic, but that is the logic of the human, who knows how the God if it exists would think or indeed if think would even be a word suitable.

TBH, in some cases I am using the phrases 'I think' and 'I believe' to be respectful to the people on the forum.

The point I have made above though, about Pascal's Wager, IS my own opinion, I don't know the answer to that one. Just seems logical based on what I DO know.

kimilseung Apr 27th 2012 4:14 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by scampicat (Post 10028814)
TBH, in some cases I am using the phrases 'I think' and 'I believe' to be respectful to the people on the forum.

:) sometimes you can not win either way.

scampicat Apr 27th 2012 4:18 am

Re: The power of prayer
 
:)

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10028815)
:) sometimes you can not win either way.

:rofl: You think I don't know that??:)

cricketman Apr 27th 2012 4:21 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by scampicat (Post 10028739)
Couldn't God have created the world and organised things so that species developed via evolution? There seems to be no contradiction to me.

However, I notice the insults have started agin.

What you describe isnt what Intelligent Design says. ID says each species was made perfectly by God and that humans did not evolve from apes

As a thought process an imaginary being could have invented the rules of the Universe which eventually led to evolution, sure. As a Christian thinker that is actually quite progressive and at least allows for discussion with scientists, non-Christians etc

I also could be the anti-Christ, although I dont think I am ;)

jackytoo Apr 27th 2012 4:28 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10028826)

I also could be the anti-Christ, although I dont think I am ;)

Are you sure...just kidding:scarper:

scampicat Apr 27th 2012 4:31 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 10028826)
What you describe isnt what Intelligent Design says. ID says each species was made perfectly by God and that humans did not evolve from apes

As a thought process an imaginary being could have invented the rules of the Universe which eventually led to evolution, sure. As a Christian thinker that is actually quite progressive and at least allows for discussion with scientists, non-Christians etc

I also could be the anti-Christ, although I dont think I am ;)

In which case I have misunderstood the philosophy of ID.

I personally have no problem believing in both a Creator God and evolution. Many Christians would not agree with me.

I think they would agree with me that you are not the anti-Christ, though! :)

rugbymatt Apr 27th 2012 5:30 am

Re: The power of prayer
 
So who has won?

jimenato Apr 27th 2012 5:55 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10028913)
So who has won?

Has the fat lady sung yet?

Domino Apr 27th 2012 6:38 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by scampicat (Post 10028739)
Couldn't God have created the world and organised things so that species developed via evolution? There seems to be no contradiction to me.

However, I notice the insults have started agin.

the insults must be something to do with the pubs closing in some part of the world, just not ours
:rofl:

can anyone here prove that evolution isnt guided by a hidden hand ?
I know I will be asked to prove it is - but I asked the question first.

Domino Apr 27th 2012 6:38 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10028913)
So who has won?

Chelsea

Domino Apr 27th 2012 6:40 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10028807)
With respect, so much of what you have written comes across as simple assertions, guesses or wishes. Many believers seem to insist that one can never truly know God, but so many seem to think they do. I understand your logic, but that is the logic of the human, who knows how the God if it exists would think or indeed if think would even be a word suitable.

God made man in his own image

end of arguement.

jimenato Apr 27th 2012 7:06 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10028993)
the insults must be something to do with the pubs closing in some part of the world, just not ours
:rofl:

can anyone here prove that evolution isnt guided by a hidden hand ?
I know I will be asked to prove it is - but I asked the question first.

No - you can't prove a negative like that - it's another logical impossibility - like proving that God doesn't exist - it can't be done.

Sally Redux Apr 27th 2012 7:08 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10029031)
No - you can't prove a negative like that - it's another logical impossibility - like proving that God doesn't exist - it can't be done.

I thought the whole point was that God made everything perfectly first time.

Now there is overwhelming evidence for evolution, the matter has to be fudged.

kimilseung Apr 27th 2012 7:16 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10028993)
can anyone here prove that evolution isnt guided by a hidden hand ?
I know I will be asked to prove it is - but I asked the question first.

But you need to ask a sensible question, asking to prove negatives is not a sensible question. Can you prove it is?


Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10028996)
God made man in his own image
end of arguement.

Start of argument. If (wo)man is in gods image, how can god be perfect/infallible/good/whatever?

Lion in Winter Apr 27th 2012 7:53 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10028993)

can anyone here prove that evolution isnt guided by a hidden hand ?
I know I will be asked to prove it is - but I asked the question first.

Can anyone here prove that we are not controlled by giant mutant ant overlords?


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