Plane crash in Madrid
 

Breaking news.

A Spanair plane has crashed on takeoff

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7572643.stm

Casualties feared.

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Last Updated: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 14:21
Plane in 'serious incident' at Madrid airport

A Spanish aircraft has been involved in a serious incident at Madrid's main airport, according to Spanish media reports.
El Mundo is reporting that the plane shot off the runway at Barajas Airport Terminal Four. Initial reports indicate that two people were killed and another 43 people were injured in the incident.

The Spanair plane, with 160 passengers on board was travelling from Madrid to Gran Canaria.

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At least 7 died :(

163 PASSENGERS, On sky News now

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I dont like to just quote as many different sources, Reuters news agency say all but 25 of the 166 passengers are dead, its very very sad to hear.

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That is hopefully a misunderstanding, I'm still reading 25 dead.

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No its not sadly, Goverment just said 40 confirmed, only 19 are survivors and still going through the rest, the emphasis on confirmed is the sad news that there is more bodies unconfirmed

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It was the 2nd attempt at take off? It was already late because of technical problems?

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Well That plane itself (the model) it seems it was more safer in the eighties than the 00's, I personallly would not want to get on a MD plane having seen a few TV Progs about it

10 Major incidents in last 8 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-82

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A well known airline site is currently reporting the plane had already been delayed for tech reasons; sounds like a horrendous fire, and very high numbers of dead and injured.
God rest their souls.

21 dead in Madrid airport crash
 

21 dead in Madrid airport crash
Wednesday, 20 August 2008 15:45 fmplus news

At least 21 people are reported dead and 40 hurt after a plane skidded off the runway and crashed at Madrid-Barajas airport.

There are conflicting reports about the number of fatalities.

The Spanair flight JK5022 was en route to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands at the time.
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It is understood the plane was attempting an emergency landing shortly after takeoff when it crashed and caught fire.

Eleven fire trucks are at the scene.

The aircraft, which has a capacity of 166 passengers, had 160 people on board.

Spanair is Spain's second biggest airline after Iberia and is a subsidiary of Scandinavian carrier SAS.

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http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=556396 and dead toll to rize aswell
tve/telemadrid fmplus and chatting to some at the airport that filling me in
my hart gose out to them who where traveling and rest

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Threads merged together.

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Awful tragedy, terrible for the families and friends of those lost and the survivors will probably be in a very nad state. My thought are also with the people dealing with the accident as they will be seeing some horrendous sights.

Rosemary

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One local source now reporting only about 20 survivors, rest died in the aircraft fire - please God that isn't accurate, but its a reliable source.

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How must it feel to be on an aircraft, trying to take off, knowing that it failed the first time? the same thing occurs to me when I think of Munich.

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Now reports on the BBC saying over 100 dead.

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TVE have been saying that all afternoon, only 27 surivors

How must it feel to be on an aircraft, trying to take off, knowing that it failed the first time?

God that must be the worse thing, in hindsight if it ever happened to me id run up the plane saying I got a bomb in my bag, that way I dont think it would take off, In guess I would get banged up for it but safer.

I hope we can learn what has really happened very soon

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Mmm, the repots I'm seeing certainly aren't good, figures rising all the time. More people believed dead than alive.

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Unfortunately, 146 people have died, only 26 people have survived and 11 of these 26 have been recognized.
Just one hour and half before, the same plane had to land once it had already taken off due to a breakdown, but half an hour later, the plane took off again and burned, crashed and broke into pieces

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My thoughts are with the victims families and friends and i hope any survivors make a speedy recovery

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same here.Its verry bad news.

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Just hoping everyone's OK and not having to worry about loved one's, family, or friends. Nightmare stuff that happens occasionally. Thankfully it's a rare event!

Live to live. You never know when!

Beautiful country - beautiful life. Big news story, but there are far more vulnerable ways to live.

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This accident has remembered me to the accident of Los Rodeos, the worst accident in the whole history of the aviation (at least of the civil aviation): in 1977, in the airport of Los Rodeos (Tenerife) there was a collision between 2 airplanes 747 (for then, the biggest airplanes in that time): one of the KLM of Holland, and the other airplane of Panam, United States. Many factors intervened in this tragedy, as the fog. This accident produced many changes in the aviation. National Geographic made a video on The Rodeos. It is easy to find in youtube

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4dr6...eature=related

http://www.project-tenerife.com/enge...tioncrash2.jpg

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That one was truly horrendous, and caused a lot of learning in the airline world about clarity of speech, uniform terminology etc..
I had friends who were due to be on that flight but had changed at the last minute - still remember watching the footage from the time.

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What a sad day, I hope some good comes out of this awful incident... hopefully it'll teach not only this but also other airlines to take every measure to ensure passenger safety always...

My heart goes out to the relatives of all these victims, all accidents are sad, but the ones that could have been avoided even more so...

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It surely is a tragedy. My heart goes out to all the families and friends who will be affected by this dreadful accident. :(

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my heart goes out to the families

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Only 19 survivors. Horrendous.

My thoughts are with their loved ones :(

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Dreadful news :(

Have been reading reports with growing horror since yesterday.

Such a tragic loss of life; and undoubtedly those few who have survived will have awful burn injuries :(

As everyone else, my thoughts are with the families of those killed and injured - and with those people who are helping them and caring for them.

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One of the big changes from Tenerife was that pilots are NOT allowed to use the words "take off" in the exchange with the control tower, except in the final acknowledgement. In other words pilots never say "ready for take off" - only "ready for departure".

Looking at the footage of the Madrid crash, it would appear that the aircraft had attained V1, the speed on the runway at which the plane is committed to fly. Engine failure at this point would ultimately mean the aircraft taking off, making a circuit (or divert) then a landing. It's a highly practiced event - and all commercial airliners are designed to continue the take off, fly and land perfectly safely on a single engine.

The graphics on BBC World / Spanish channels show a possible fire / explosion from the left hand engine, yet the plane veering to the right, failing to attain and hold altitude. That would appear to suggest loss of thrust and/or vital control surfaces (rudder / elevator) and/or failure to attain V2, possibly as a result of catastrophic engine failure.

What is becoming very clear is that what happened at Madrid was absolutely not a 'normal' engine / system failure.

Our hearts go out to the families involved in this tragic accident.

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To all the families,friends and relatives of those lost or injured in this tragedy my heartfelt condolences and best wishes are sent to you.
Please know that there are so many people out there who no doubts share my feelings for you.
God Bless you all,

Superpot

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By all acounts the Malaga football team were originally booked on to this flight before changing to a later flight to play Las Palmas in a friendly game that has now been suspended.Condolences to all affected by crash.