The perfect Mother
Dec 2nd 2011, 3:53 pm
#61
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Re: The perfect Mother
I think you are getting 2 very different things mixed up.
It is not racist to say that in parts of London there are now more foreigners than British people. This is just a fact.
It is not even racist to say that this represents a loss of British culture or to feel sad that half the children at your child's school dont speak English properly
However, it is racist to shout at people in public and refer to them in dorragatary and racist terms and perhaps blame them for things that are nothing to do with them.
Regarding my situation here in Benalmádena Pueblo, I am not being racist by observing that were no Spaniards in the restaurants I went to, nor for feeling sad about that (this part of Spain observes an unspoken cultural apartheid anyway, but that is for another thread)
It would be racist if I started shouting at the people in the restaurant saying they should F off home because this is a Spanish restaurant, or they should start speaking Spanish, but I did not, nor do I think that.
I dont want to bring up my child in a society like down here on the CDS, I feel it is warped and unhealthy. There is no or little mixing between Spanish speakers and English speakers (it is a language issue above all, not a race issue). So, we will move to a different part of Spain, simple.
And scampicat, there is only one race, the human race. There is no such thing as a British race, a Spanish race or God forbid, an American race
It is not racist to say that in parts of London there are now more foreigners than British people. This is just a fact.
It is not even racist to say that this represents a loss of British culture or to feel sad that half the children at your child's school dont speak English properly
However, it is racist to shout at people in public and refer to them in dorragatary and racist terms and perhaps blame them for things that are nothing to do with them.
Regarding my situation here in Benalmádena Pueblo, I am not being racist by observing that were no Spaniards in the restaurants I went to, nor for feeling sad about that (this part of Spain observes an unspoken cultural apartheid anyway, but that is for another thread)
It would be racist if I started shouting at the people in the restaurant saying they should F off home because this is a Spanish restaurant, or they should start speaking Spanish, but I did not, nor do I think that.
I dont want to bring up my child in a society like down here on the CDS, I feel it is warped and unhealthy. There is no or little mixing between Spanish speakers and English speakers (it is a language issue above all, not a race issue). So, we will move to a different part of Spain, simple.
And scampicat, there is only one race, the human race. There is no such thing as a British race, a Spanish race or God forbid, an American race
Oh dear there you go again,....... and it's no laughing matter I'm afraid.
Dec 2nd 2011, 3:57 pm
#62
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Re: The perfect Mother
The young mother in question comes from New Addington, near Croydon, and it's a real shithole where you will hear that kind of language on a daily basis.
I watched a Moroccan lookie-lookie man the other day lose it with four British grannies who waved him away from their table, which seems to be happening all the time now.
What he said to them in Spanish was unbelievable, just like the mother on the tram. But the Brits didn't understand a word of it, and just smiled at him.
I watched a Moroccan lookie-lookie man the other day lose it with four British grannies who waved him away from their table, which seems to be happening all the time now.
What he said to them in Spanish was unbelievable, just like the mother on the tram. But the Brits didn't understand a word of it, and just smiled at him.
Dec 2nd 2011, 3:58 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
There is no biological basis for any of the so called "races" in the world and certainly not one for 300 million recent immigrants from Europe, Africa and Asia that settled in a part of North America in the past 500 years
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:14 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:15 pm
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Dec 2nd 2011, 4:17 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
I think you are getting 2 very different things mixed up.
It is not racist to say that in parts of London there are now more foreigners than British people. This is just a fact.
It is not even racist to say that this represents a loss of British culture or to feel sad that half the children at your child's school dont speak English properly
However, it is racist to shout at people in public and refer to them in dorragatary and racist terms and perhaps blame them for things that are nothing to do with them.
Regarding my situation here in Benalmádena Pueblo, I am not being racist by observing that were no Spaniards in the restaurants I went to, nor for feeling sad about that (this part of Spain observes an unspoken cultural apartheid anyway, but that is for another thread)
It would be racist if I started shouting at the people in the restaurant saying they should F off home because this is a Spanish restaurant, or they should start speaking Spanish, but I did not, nor do I think that.
I dont want to bring up my child in a society like down here on the CDS, I feel it is warped and unhealthy. There is no or little mixing between Spanish speakers and English speakers (it is a language issue above all, not a race issue). So, we will move to a different part of Spain, simple.
And scampicat, there is only one race, the human race. There is no such thing as a British race, a Spanish race or God forbid, an American race
It is not racist to say that in parts of London there are now more foreigners than British people. This is just a fact.
It is not even racist to say that this represents a loss of British culture or to feel sad that half the children at your child's school dont speak English properly
However, it is racist to shout at people in public and refer to them in dorragatary and racist terms and perhaps blame them for things that are nothing to do with them.
Regarding my situation here in Benalmádena Pueblo, I am not being racist by observing that were no Spaniards in the restaurants I went to, nor for feeling sad about that (this part of Spain observes an unspoken cultural apartheid anyway, but that is for another thread)
It would be racist if I started shouting at the people in the restaurant saying they should F off home because this is a Spanish restaurant, or they should start speaking Spanish, but I did not, nor do I think that.
I dont want to bring up my child in a society like down here on the CDS, I feel it is warped and unhealthy. There is no or little mixing between Spanish speakers and English speakers (it is a language issue above all, not a race issue). So, we will move to a different part of Spain, simple.
And scampicat, there is only one race, the human race. There is no such thing as a British race, a Spanish race or God forbid, an American race
What you are saying is it is only racist if you shout out your opinions in public, so if you keep hatred to you self beit against other races that means you are not a racist.
By the same token, using your reasoning, a virgin homosexual is not homosexual until he does something about it by having sex, or tells someone about his feelings.
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:20 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
I think you are getting 2 very different things mixed up.
It is not racist to say that in parts of London there are now more foreigners than British people. This is just a fact.
It is not even racist to say that this represents a loss of British culture or to feel sad that half the children at your child's school dont speak English properly
However, it is racist to shout at people in public and refer to them in dorragatary and racist terms and perhaps blame them for things that are nothing to do with them.
Regarding my situation here in Benalmádena Pueblo, I am not being racist by observing that were no Spaniards in the restaurants I went to, nor for feeling sad about that (this part of Spain observes an unspoken cultural apartheid anyway, but that is for another thread)
It would be racist if I started shouting at the people in the restaurant saying they should F off home because this is a Spanish restaurant, or they should start speaking Spanish, but I did not, nor do I think that.
I dont want to bring up my child in a society like down here on the CDS, I feel it is warped and unhealthy. There is no or little mixing between Spanish speakers and English speakers (it is a language issue above all, not a race issue). So, we will move to a different part of Spain, simple.
And scampicat, there is only one race, the human race. There is no such thing as a British race, a Spanish race or God forbid, an American race
It is not racist to say that in parts of London there are now more foreigners than British people. This is just a fact.
It is not even racist to say that this represents a loss of British culture or to feel sad that half the children at your child's school dont speak English properly
However, it is racist to shout at people in public and refer to them in dorragatary and racist terms and perhaps blame them for things that are nothing to do with them.
Regarding my situation here in Benalmádena Pueblo, I am not being racist by observing that were no Spaniards in the restaurants I went to, nor for feeling sad about that (this part of Spain observes an unspoken cultural apartheid anyway, but that is for another thread)
It would be racist if I started shouting at the people in the restaurant saying they should F off home because this is a Spanish restaurant, or they should start speaking Spanish, but I did not, nor do I think that.
I dont want to bring up my child in a society like down here on the CDS, I feel it is warped and unhealthy. There is no or little mixing between Spanish speakers and English speakers (it is a language issue above all, not a race issue). So, we will move to a different part of Spain, simple.
And scampicat, there is only one race, the human race. There is no such thing as a British race, a Spanish race or God forbid, an American race
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:27 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
I am LOVING the support this ignorant, bigoted, racist spermbucket of a woman is getting on this thread, absolutely brilliant.... hardly surprising if I'm honest, but brilliant all the same.
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:31 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
For someone whose job is based on stats and logic, you are not very consistent in your logic.
What you are saying is it is only racist if you shout out your opinions in public, so if you keep hatred to you self beit against other races that means you are not a racist.
By the same token, using your reasoning, a virgin homosexual is not homosexual until he does something about it by having sex, or tells someone about his feelings.
What you are saying is it is only racist if you shout out your opinions in public, so if you keep hatred to you self beit against other races that means you are not a racist.
By the same token, using your reasoning, a virgin homosexual is not homosexual until he does something about it by having sex, or tells someone about his feelings.
Anyone who thinks a human who has a certain skintone or speaks a certain language or comes from a certain country is inherently better or worse than they are, is racist, whether they say it or not.
People have expectations and are disappointed when life doesnt meet up to them. I moved to the centre of Barcelona and there wasnt a Catalan is site. Most my neighbours were Chinese, Pakistani, Latin American or Moroccan. I was disappointed not because I'm racist but because I wanted to get to know Spanish/Catalan culture and people and living there, that made it very difficult. However, this was my fault, I didnt research well enough. And in the end I enjoyed playing ping pong on the public tables with the Chinese kids
And in Benalmadena I knew what I signed up for when I moved. I brought up the point rather cheekily because for me it matches quite well the situation in parts of London, what I should stress is the woman isnt racist for feeling disappointed that there are so many foreigners in her neighbourhood, but she is racist for feeling hatred towards them and abusing them.
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:35 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
The point being that she is far from unique and such bigoted views are not the sole preserve of one bigoted woman on a tram in the UK.
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:42 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
that cant be right, the kid has a right to anonimity, and lets face it for race hate crimes as well as other crimes there is a procedure already in place to bring the guilty to justice.
I dont think the clip was put on you tube to get justice, it was done for some other reason, a trial by internet is not really fair.
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:43 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
There are half a dozen posts in this thread trying to explain away how, why and what, and however you try and dress that up its a form of endorsement now run along and play with someone else Dick.
Dec 2nd 2011, 4:49 pm
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Re: The perfect Mother
Define racism for me, if I lived in an area full of lets say Muslims for a host of different countries, if everytime I went out of the house, I was met by burka wearing women, who could not say hello to me for cultural reasons, if I did not shout abuse at them or hate them, but wanted to move elsewhere simply because I did not like the general atmosphere that has sprung up since the recent arrivals came.?
Would that make me a racist, because if that was the situation I would be out of there sharpish, I would not want to live my life like that.?
Would that make me a racist, because if that was the situation I would be out of there sharpish, I would not want to live my life like that.?