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Old Mar 11th 2012, 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
With regard to outside painting of houses, as I live in a town not only do I have to get a licence but also a separate permit to carry out work in the street - cue Amideislas to go ballistic!

With the other stuff, it's not so much needing permission but a kind of extra local tax in the form of a licence fee. I'm quite relaxed about it as the IBI tax is quite low, as others have said, and for the past few years I've benefited from a discount on mine, since our catastral values were revised. They need to get the money to provide local services from somewhere, after all. I am happy that some of my money is going towards schemes such as our Ayuntamiento's Renta Basica whereby unemployed people are paid a low wage for six months to work on community projects or go on training courses.

Nearly always the Spanish neighbours do not bother to get a licence other than for major reforms. I also have to hold my hands up and admit that this week I have been repainting my wooden window frames without getting a licence, I am waiting for somebody to come and clap me in irons. I have applied for them in the past though for refitting our kitchen, reforming the bathrooms and retiling the stairs, as well as outside work. Basically anything that involves us having to get materials delivered to the house and have a skip outside to get the rubble taken away. If you have got a licence and paid the fees, and got an invoice if you didn't do the work yourself, you can also reclaim the costs against capital gains tax if you sell (provided the day ever comes when you would be in the happy position of making a gain, that is!).

Are you sure that is a tax?

When we had our town house painted, we got the necessary permission but also had to pay an extra 'fee'. This turned out to be a sort of insurance or deposit in case we damaged the road/pavement etc.

Once the work was completed an official bod came round with a clip board made a report at the town hall and this money was credited back to our bank account - no quibble, no fuss
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Old Mar 11th 2012, 7:38 pm
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Default Re: painting outside terrace

Originally Posted by snikpoh
Are you sure that is a tax?

When we had our town house painted, we got the necessary permission but also had to pay an extra 'fee'. This turned out to be a sort of insurance or deposit in case we damaged the road/pavement etc.

Once the work was completed an official bod came round with a clip board made a report at the town hall and this money was credited back to our bank account - no quibble, no fuss
Sorry, I did not mean that the permit to carry out work in the street was a tax. I meant that the licence fees that should be paid for other kinds of work is a kind of additional local tax.

The fees for minor works licences are paid to the Gerencia de Urbanismo here. The "bureaucrats" who work for them have just done me a good turn by using their enforcement powers to force the Diocese of Malaga, who own a building next to my house which they have left empty and allowed to deteriorate for 4 years, to renovate the exterior of the building in response to my complaints. I no longer have to see an eyesore when I look out of my window and the whole street looks better as a result. I think that's a fair return for the small amount I've spent on building licences over the years.
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Old Mar 12th 2012, 12:57 am
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I really do not understand some guys here.

To believe that a law or regulation is unnecessary or pointless or should be changed or abolished etc is one the thing, but to try to argue that if one does not like a regulation they can safely just ignore it is incredible. Like saying black is white. Or saying I don't believe that I should need to get a divorce before I marry another person. So I will just go ahead and do it.

Sorry just my opinion.

PS Just a thought, Its not just in Spain. Why should people UK have to pay for a license too, like to drive a car, get married, build a house, doctors and dentists to practice etc. ? (This is a rhetorical question)

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Old Mar 12th 2012, 1:44 pm
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Default Re: painting outside terrace

Originally Posted by larryX
I really do not understand some guys here.

To believe that a law or regulation is unnecessary or pointless or should be changed or abolished etc is one the thing, but to try to argue that if one does not like a regulation they can safely just ignore it is incredible. Like saying black is white. Or saying I don't believe that I should need to get a divorce before I marry another person. So I will just go ahead and do it.

Sorry just my opinion.

PS Just a thought, Its not just in Spain. Why should people UK have to pay for a license too, like to drive a car, get married, build a house, doctors and dentists to practice etc. ? (This is a rhetorical question)
Because those things have a practical and sensible purpose. A licence to paint your lounge has no practical or sensible purpose other than to exercise unneccessary and petty controls over things that don't matter in the least, but perhaps the most important rationale is an attempt to capture even more revenue from a public who is already overburdened and pays too much for everything. After all, over-inflated and inefficient government is damned expensive.

Like many things many of us have simply come to apathetically rationalise as "normal", I'd reckon in the end this kind of overboard control over our lives costs the taxpayer (you an I) much more than any monetary or other tangible benefit it was intended to achieve. Typical socialistic mindset, and yet another reason for our continuing decline.
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Default Re: painting outside terrace

Originally Posted by Lynn R
With regard to outside painting of houses, as I live in a town not only do I have to get a licence but also a separate permit to carry out work in the street - cue Amideislas to go ballistic!

With the other stuff, it's not so much needing permission but a kind of extra local tax in the form of a licence fee. I'm quite relaxed about it as the IBI tax is quite low, as others have said, and for the past few years I've benefited from a discount on mine, since our catastral values were revised. They need to get the money to provide local services from somewhere, after all. I am happy that some of my money is going towards schemes such as our Ayuntamiento's Renta Basica whereby unemployed people are paid a low wage for six months to work on community projects or go on training courses.

Nearly always the Spanish neighbours do not bother to get a licence other than for major reforms. I also have to hold my hands up and admit that this week I have been repainting my wooden window frames without getting a licence, I am waiting for somebody to come and clap me in irons. I have applied for them in the past though for refitting our kitchen, reforming the bathrooms and retiling the stairs, as well as outside work. Basically anything that involves us having to get materials delivered to the house and have a skip outside to get the rubble taken away. If you have got a licence and paid the fees, and got an invoice if you didn't do the work yourself, you can also reclaim the costs against capital gains tax if you sell (provided the day ever comes when you would be in the happy position of making a gain, that is!).
I'd have to believe that most of these petty little control mechanisms aren't really expected to be observed. Rather, I suspect they are more likely an "ace in the hole" should there ever be a need for a defence, or to "discipline" you for something else they don't like.

Let's say you file a denuncia against a local bureau for some reason, or say, dispute a tax being levied against you. They can always send a team of inspectors to your house to find all things that could be considered "illegal" and subject to massive fines (I'd expect with the vast number of petty laws and regulations, virtually every house everywhere could somehow be considered "illegal"), which would help shut you up or extort more money out of you without any bloodshed.

Control. It's a wonderful thing to have. Just ask the Mafia.
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