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This youGov link outlines the full information https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...tions_2015.pdf

Chapter 3 outlines the details of ordinarily resident in the UK in relation to right to free NHS treatment.
I have copied this directly from Questions asked in chapter 3 which outlines to me that given the circumstances I stated previously I am entitled to NHS treatment in the UK and the E111 as I am ordinarily Uk resident


Q
:
I have a patient who lives both here and in Spain, spending most of their time there. Where
are they ordinarily resident?
A
:
A person can be ordinarily resident in more than one country at once. As long as they
are properly settled here, despite spending more time in their other place of residence, they
will meet the ordinary residence test. There is no requirement that the time be equally split
between the UK and another country in order to maintain ordinary residence in the UK. Where
a person has lived in more than one country for several years, consideration needs to be
given to whether there is a pattern of regular trips to the UK over the years that demonstrates
a sufficient degree of continuity to establish ordinary residence in the UK. The length and
number of trips to the UK, family and other relationships with people in the UK, financial,
property and other connections to the UK will all be relevant factors in determining if the
person is ordinarily resident in the UK despite spending time living in another country. If they
live only in Spain, and are only here as a visitor, not as a resident, then they will not meet the
ordinary residence test.

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Well spotted!

An explanation from a government department that actually explains the situation. Amazing!

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Bob however good the links you will never again be entitled to an E111 they were superseded by the EHIC PLASTIC CARD many years ago.

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Yes John sorry my mistake I meant the EHIC which I have and is due for renewal next year. I think though that link is useful and clarifies the situation.

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Don't forget to renew. As Fred says an unusually clear explanation from a Government department.

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You can apply online gov.UK very easy. I actually though mine ran out next month but they picked it up when I tried to renew so on the ball. Of course there is also a dodgy online one where you pay for them to apply AVOID and ensure only apply on the official site free of charge.

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All hospitals are legally obliged to ask you where you have lived for the previous 12 months. They do check as well, and if they are not satisfied they are required to follow it up. I know personally of at least one person who received a follow up and was told they would have to pay if they couldn't provide satisfactory evidence. (I have seen the letter they received).

With regard to the change for state pensioners able to to be treated in the UK from April, this was introduced following the consultation on charging visitors about a year or so ago. By introducing this concession they are able to reduce the cost they pay to other countries by 5%. Most EU members have done it for years. IIRC the costs saving was about £50m p.a. There was talk in the consultation about allowing people with a certain number of years NI contributions access to treatment as well ( so early retirees). The final outcome said they would consider drawing up proposals but this seems to have been kicked into the long grass at the moment.

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So if you are entitled to receive treatment in the UK the same as someone living in the UK, can you then choose to opt for that op you may need in the UK?

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That seems to be the gist if the paragraph for UK state pensioners. However there is no explanation of how a pensioner would achieve the objective. There used to be a scheme in UK where you could opt for a needed operation to be conducted elsewhere in the EU IF THE PATIENT SO WISHED. It must be something like that in reverse. How your Spanish GP WOULD KNOW HOW OR WHERE TO SEND YOU I just don't know. Of course if you had stayed registered on a UK GP's list then it would just be a case of booking an appointment and getting a referral short of that it will get complicated lots of personal research will be necessary.

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The link I quoted as you say would be of no help to those living full time in Spain but using the NHS (under the radar ) as it does state that they would never be classed as ordinarily UK resident. I found and quoted more for what I intend to do use my property in Spain for longer periods but also retain and use my property in the UK on a regular basis but probably less than the Spanish one. At least it allows the likes of me to retain the right to use the NHS as normal and importantly retain the EHIC. It clears up what I saw as an anomaly.

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If hospitals can charge overseas visitors 150% of cost surely they will treat “health tourists” in preference to NHS patients. Will companies providing travel insurance be willing to reimburse hospital treatment at 150% of cost? It seems that the latest rules may not have been thought through.