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No Spanish?

Old Dec 16th 2005, 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Mercedes
You certainly notice it more in the summer don't you. The winter is so much more pleasant and the people different.
Thats why I know it is the tourists, but we still get the loudmouth golfers in the winter
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Originally Posted by sunnysenorita
Just for the record, I am a Brit and reside in Fuengirola. My Spanish is not perfect but is adequate to use in business and also when socialising with Spanish. I have friends from all over Europe, including British friends and I agree that most of them do not make the effort to learn the language.

However, I do not agree that the majority of Brits on this part of the coast are @ssholes, from my experience (and I have lived here 7 years) these are the minority.

Popping into one of the 'hundred road side pie n chips cafe's' does not give a true picture of living and working in Fuengirola. It's certainly not something I would enjoy doing.

I honestly believe that the worst enemy a Brit can have living abroad is a narrow minded 'fellow Brit' who for some reason gets above himself once they have left their old life.

I have met many British @ssholes in my years here, not all of them fit into the loud mouth typical yobbish Brit as described in this forum.
I thought my post might get replies from Fuengirola residents

No offence intended form my generalised sweeping statement.
Fuengirola is great for shopping and I do like the centre.

No narrow minded anti fellow Brit here, until I meet loud mouth yobbish idiots which is where I have to disagree, I think they are more common than you think.
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There are quite a few assholes also in Marbella area and Puerto Banus must win hands up. I think it must be one of the most souless places to go to on the coast.[/QUOTE]

I am inclined to agree with you there.
The only advantage with Puerto Banus is the punters tend to be a little more restrained and better behaved than other coastal hot spots back towards Malaga.

I cannot be doing with witnessing verbal or physical abuse when I go out, this was one of the main reasons I left the UK.
And being from Merseyside I have seen my fair share of that
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I don't think this is restricted to Spain or the Brits. I have been on islands in Thailand where the waiting staff are young local boys and girls with a limited knowledge of english but a desire to please. They then have to decipher english spoken by people with a wide range of impenetrable accents from the various regional accents to those from Europe and America. It is shaming to occasionally see people losing patience with them when they fail to understand. Boorish loud intolerable people are seen in France too, nay the world over. But I agree it makes one cringe when one sees a fellow country man behave this way, but one just hopes that the Spanish are astute enought to realise that not everyone is tarred with the same brush.
I think people often behave this way to conceal their own inadequacies and insecurities. Make someone else feel inadequate and they may never become aware of one's own inadequacies seems to be their strategy. Haven't we all felt envious at those people who are effortlessly multilingual ? One ultimately feels sorry for them because of the limitations they are unknowingly placing on their experiences. My Spanish is at the first stages and is made worse by my mediterranean looks which leads people to assume I am Spanish. However as those of us who have done so know, any attempt at speaking another persons language however badly breaks down barriers.....except for the French who can sometimes be really snooty about anglicised pronunciation !!!!
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Originally Posted by countryboy
Hello all, Well I think you should know what type of English person has come to Spain, I have been a working man all my life and also been a single parent with two girls (aged 5 months and 14 months when I took them on) I have had to work all hours to get to where I am now, retired at 47, worked as a SP, payed all my taxes etc and can now afford to come to Spain to live Work and try to enjoy life, but this story has to take the "Whatever" I will let you judge the person involved!!!

I was down the bar the other night (Los amigos Sax Alicante Provence) and some English (new) people came in, I had not see before, they were new in the town, as they did not know how to order a beer or gin & tonic? I tried to help them as I am that type of chap. Well I have never been so embaressed in all my life!!!! Chap to bar tender "Beer and a G&T Please?" Barman (Spanish no English) que? "A Beer and a F*****G G&T please!" barman "No Intendo?" I approached and said "Can I help you with your order?" Male: "Who the F**K are you?" Me "I am a local, can I help?" Male "But your F*****G Einglish, your not Spanish". Me "But I have lived her for four years and I speak Spanish, can I help you to order your drinks as the barman dose not speak English?" Male "Well he F*****G ought to, we come over with loads of dosh and expect to have them speak F*****G English" I disapeared under the door on my way out with my wife and friends and went to anoter bar, well away from what ever is coming to this country.

I did go into Los Amigos later when the "ENGLISH PERSON" left and apoligised for my "Fellow Countryman" left with after he had been served with a rather low qulity beer and a glass of lemoade with a hint of spit, sorry I should I say "sprint" (sorry) it really makes my blood boil.

Why do the English come to Spain and Expect everyone one to speak English, Afterall WE ARE IN THEIR COUNTRY.........

If you are thinking of coming to Spain and want to speak ENGLISH all the time then for god's sake STAY ON THE COAST we dont want you to come inland thinking that every Spanish person speaks English They Dont, Learn Spanish if you want REAL SPAIN... Sorry for my rant But think of us who do live Inland and have to live hear after you have left, as no one speaks "English" we try to intergrate and be involved with the loca comunity and it does work "For Us". So come and join us we are intergrating with the Spanish way of life.

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We would like to live in rural Spain, but would not dream of not trying to learn and use the language. Lets hope that this type of "BRIT" is in the minority.

Can you suggest any nice rural areas to look at, that is immune to the land grab rules. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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Originally Posted by Gray C
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We would like to live in rural Spain, but would not dream of not trying to learn and use the language. Lets hope that this type of "BRIT" is in the minority.

Can you suggest any nice rural areas to look at, that is immune to the land grab rules. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Hello Gary C,
The Land grab is called "Urban Planning Regulatory Law (LRAU)" and this law is only enforced in the Valencia Provance pf Spain. Here is a story running in my edtion of this weeks Vinalopo News/Inland Trader concerning the EU's vote on this matter.

The European Parliament delivered a resounding blow to Spain's so-called 'land-grab' law. MEP’s voted by 550-45 in support of a damning report on the controversial law. This will not mean Spain has to repeal the law, but it will add weight to pending legal action by the European Commission against Spain over the legislation. The report by MEP’s follows complaints from more than 15,000 property owners, mostly British, German, Belgian and French expats, about the Urban Planning Regulatory Law (LRAU), which has been in force since 1994. Under the law, property developers can not only effectively expropriate part of a homeowners land or home but charge them for doing so. Last year, a highly-critical report by MEP’s condemned what it called the "surreal" land-grab law. The Petitions Committee of the European Parliament found: "The application of the law has brought a grave violation of the basic rights of many thousands of European Union citizens in numerous well-documented cases." The report said the law, introduced in the province of Valencia and copied in other parts of Spain, has allowed developers to rob thousands of house-holders across Spain – both expats and Spaniards alike - of their properties. The law allows land to be confiscated in order to ''urbanise'' rural areas by adding infrastructure like roads, lighting, water pipes and sewerage. Threats have, on occasions, accompanied orders to hand over land, whose status is changed by town halls which lift building restrictions by reclassifying rural land as urban. The campaign group, Abusos-Urbanisticos-No (No to Urban Abuses) is fighting the regional government in Valencia in eastern Spain, which first introduced the law. Charles Svoboda, president of the group, said: "This is the beginning of the end of this law." The campaign has spread as other regional authorities have introduced versions of the same legislation. The highly-critical report by a group of MEPs to the European Parliament committee attacked "serious abuses" committed under the terms of what it called this "surreal" law. It also condemned the way developers bribe town hall officials and siphon money into offshore banking havens. The EC has launched legal action against Spain for contravening citizens' property rights by not compensating them if their homes or land is confiscated. There are also cases pending at the European Court of Human Rights, brought by individuals who claim their property rights have been denied. But the central government in Madrid may have a hard battle against the powerful regional government in Valencia to repeal the law.


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I think the last sentence sums it up though David.
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BritBull,

I think the original post was about the lack of Spanish the majority of us Brits know and the lack of interest in learning the language and integrating with the Spanish.

Obviously from the other posts you have written (working in Spain) you are experiencing the same problems yourself which is why I guess you are working in Gibraltar.

It really amuses me when an 'outsider' gives his opinion on an area that he knows nothing about. Of course, there are some dodgy bars in Fuengirola but aren't there everywhere (except Marbella of course!)

@ssholes in Marbella are still @ssholes and are no better than the ones in Fuengirola or anywhere else!



From a fellow ex Cheshire girl
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Must be that Cheshire aggro agua he used to drink making him anti Fuengirola
Its just a different class of ar$hole, in Marbella.
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Wow seems I started a bit of a storm, well I guess this is where it all happens. I Pick and choose my friends and found that I have more Spanish friends than English ones, the English ones I hang around with are mostly in their 60's and are very reserved in their own way, and I like that.

But when I go out with my Spanish friends we tend to hang around in groups aged from 19 to 55, (I am 52) and we seem to have a good sprited time in the local Spanish bars, we do get drunk but in a different way to the English youth culture, we are allways respectful to our surroundings and include everyone in our bar, (mind you most of the people we drink with and the ones we meet are normally related, after all it is a small town).

Anyway thats all I am going to say on this subject, you all have a very good Christmas and all the very best for the New Year.

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This forum needs a bit af action sometimes

Happy Christmas to you also, probably get the PC crowd after us for wishing a Happy Christmas......
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Happy Christmas to you also, probably get the PC crowd after us for wishing a Happy Christmas......
WINTER LIGHTS AND WINTER SEASON'S GREETINGS I think is the P.C. way of things LOL..

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Merry Xmas and all the best for 2006 from an anti Fuengirola dodgy ex Cheshire freak
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