No Deal Brexit
#16
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Re: No Deal Brexit
If they had had a mind two all parties could have ratified and then ringfenced the agreement on citizens rights which was the very first item on the agenda in the withdrawl negotiations.
#17
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Re: No Deal Brexit
Any chance you could give me the winner of the 3:45 at Uttoxeter ?
#20
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Re: No Deal Brexit
It's good to see at least most governments considering how much this would effect peoples lives...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
#21
Re: No Deal Brexit
It's good to see at least most governments considering how much this would effect peoples lives...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
Why do that separately and not go straight for residency?
Can she get her permit before you are legally resident here? - I don't think so.
#22
Re: No Deal Brexit
It's good to see at least most governments considering how much this would effect peoples lives...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
Last edited by Loafing Along; Jan 17th 2019 at 4:07 pm. Reason: Correct text
#23
Re: No Deal Brexit
It's good to see at least most governments considering how much this would effect peoples lives...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
Just wondering though, does anyone know what is considered "exercising freedom of movement rights"? I am a new arrival, registered my address, getting the NIE soon (not sure if I will get temporary or permanent yet) although my non-EU spouse might not get her article 10 (family member) residence permit for another few months...
#24
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Re: No Deal Brexit
I think this is one of the issues on which there has been no clarifying document from either the EU or the UK . I think this is one of the issues on which there has been no clarifying document from either the EU or the UK . Currently , while you have the right to settle in a another EU country when you are from the UK and retain your social security rights, UK index-linked pension ( if you have one ! ) etc what has not been agreed is what happens if you decide to move within the EU post-Brexit, e.g. up sticks from Spain and move to Portugal. It is quite feasible the UK benefits would then disappear. Similar but not exactly the same is the issue of UK citizens who live in an EU country but work across the border in another.
After that Brits will no longer have FoM so the Directive will no longer apply to them. AFAIK, what has been agreed in the event of a deal is: there will be no provision for onward movement; cross border workers will have their rights protected; and as regards UK benefits that's up to the UK.
But for the time being all that matters for new arrivals is to be able to show they were exercising your EU right to FoM correctly before Brexit.
Last edited by EuroTrash; Jan 18th 2019 at 11:26 am.
#25
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Re: No Deal Brexit
After Brexit, Brits will be subject to "3rd country" EU immigration rules, which ironically, are more demanding than UK immigration.
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Re: No Deal Brexit
Meanwhile, Portugal has announced it plans to continue offering fast track access to British tourists after Brexit, whether or not the UK manages to secure a deal.Prime Minister Antonio Costa says millions of Britons visit Portugal every year, and the country will ensure the flow is not interrupted.
Then I took a look on the Portugal forum where I found the following thread
Portugal :- Forward thinking
#27
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Re: No Deal Brexit
As for what is considered using your right to free movement, technically taking a weekend holiday is as tourism is using your right, but I very much doubt they will let someone move to the country just because they had a short weekend away there. Nor do I think they will let people who lived in other EU countries to move to Spain if they weren't already living there. Some clarity would definitely be nice.
#28
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Re: No Deal Brexit
Sounds like you are getting things mixed up. The NIE is effectively a number that identifies you as a non Spanish national. It remains with you for an unlimited time and is used for property purchases, car purchases, bank accounts , tax.etc. The number provides you with no rights and does not identify your residence status. To stay in Spain beyond 3 months you need to acquire the plastic card which effectively proves you are registered in Spain as a foreign resident from EU.. Anyone who hasn't registered after Brexit will be subject to non EU immigration rules. So you will need to try and book an appointment to register and gather together a range of documents to prove you won't be considered a burden on the Spanish state. Good luck
#29
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Re: No Deal Brexit
Individual EU countries set their own immigration policy, in line with the national economy and how many migrant workers that country needs / can stand.
Is Spanish immigration more demanding than British? I thought the UK income requirement was around £35k for a single person and Spain was around €26k but I don't know what other requirements Spain has?
#30
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Re: No Deal Brexit
AFAIK the EU doesn't have immigration rules.
Individual EU countries set their own immigration policy, in line with the national economy and how many migrant workers that country needs / can stand.
Is Spanish immigration more demanding than British? I thought the UK income requirement was around £35k for a single person and Spain was around €26k but I don't know what other requirements Spain has?
Individual EU countries set their own immigration policy, in line with the national economy and how many migrant workers that country needs / can stand.
Is Spanish immigration more demanding than British? I thought the UK income requirement was around £35k for a single person and Spain was around €26k but I don't know what other requirements Spain has?
If you're not an EU citizen (as you will be post brexit), you will also need to request approval for residency, which not only requires all of the above, you'll need to prove that you're either wealthy enough to retire without any risk of state burden for the rest of your life, or that your employer cannot find your talents within the EU labour pool or the Spanish labour pool, or that you're married to an EU citizen (and living in Spain WITH your spouse). Buying a property or investing at least half a million euros into the country is also a consideration. You're right, each country has it's own policy (although there are clear EU rules regarding non-EU immigrants, per above) I can only speak for Spain and Germany, and the same applies in both.
I don't believe the UK imposes these requirements on EU citizens. AFAIK, EU citizens have no need to even declare their existence in the UK. But that's just UK policy. Has nothing to do with EU law.
Last edited by amideislas; Jan 20th 2019 at 7:46 pm.