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NickReve Sep 28th 2017 10:39 pm

NIE Certificate renewal El Modelo 790- Tasa 012.
 
Hi all
I need to get a new NIE Certificate though my old one is from 2012 and some guys at some offices complain about this being too old and invalid. I got the message that I have to fill out the El "Modelo 790- Tasa 012" and pay the fee at the bank. Have any of you guys done this and can help a bit?

I am not a resident and have a holiday home in Spain.

The only choice that I can find online similar to this is the following:

English:
Assignment of Foreign Identity Number (NIE) at the request of the interested party.

Spanish:
Asignación de Número de Identidad de Extranjero (NIE) a instancia del interesado.

Is the above choice correct? PLEASE help.

I really appreciate this. Thanks! :cool:

teuchterpete Sep 28th 2017 10:51 pm

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Cant see why. Got mine in 2008 and it was fine for policia national last year when I went for my residencia, and fine when I went to change my uk driving licence for Spanish one a few weeks ago,
Pete

NickReve Sep 29th 2017 7:28 am

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Originally Posted by teuchterpete (Post 12349458)
Cant see why. Got mine in 2008 and it was fine for policia national last year when I went for my residencia, and fine when I went to change my uk driving licence for Spanish one a few weeks ago,
Pete

Yes Pete, in good old days there was no expiration date but mine was valid for only 3 month and that was in 2012 and I moved to a new town.

bobd22 Sep 29th 2017 8:25 am

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I'm sure I read somewhere that they had stopped dating them again? Mine is one of the early undated ones from 2007.

Loafing Along Sep 29th 2017 12:26 pm

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Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 12349649)
I'm sure I read somewhere that they had stopped dating them again? Mine is one of the early undated ones from 2007.

A NIE is for life !

bobd22 Sep 29th 2017 12:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Loafing Along (Post 12349765)
A NIE is for life !

Yes I know that the number never changes. However as op says a few years ago they changed the certificate (paper) and started dating them. When you had to use for official things they demanded the date was within 3 months. So people had to pay for a new certificate money maker for officials. I believe this has now stopped? My nie certificate is an old undated type.

rachelk Sep 29th 2017 4:06 pm

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Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 12349768)
YWhen you had to use for official things they demanded the date was within 3 months..

Is this a confusion with the padrón? If you need to present that for official purposes it has to be withing 3 months if I remember rightly - but I think that's the same for nationals as well as foreigners.

bobd22 Sep 29th 2017 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 12349933)
Is this a confusion with the padrón? If you need to present that for official purposes it has to be withing 3 months if I remember rightly - but I think that's the same for nationals as well as foreigners.

No Rachel they brought it in for the NIE certificate as well I also think they changed the paper colour? As I said I think it was simply a way of making a few euros out of people.

bobd22 Sep 29th 2017 4:45 pm

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This link explains what I mentioned i.e. old certificates had no expiry date around 2012 they had a 3 month expiry date but have now gone back to no expiry date. The number of course never changed just the original bit of paper they gave you with your NIE number on.

http://www.niein1day.co.uk/why-does-...-three-months/

snikpoh Sep 30th 2017 1:05 pm

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The NIE certificate DID use to expire after 3 months. Within 12 months they had rescinded this and all subsequent NIE certificates do not have an expiry date.

The simplest thing I've ever heard (from an official) was to cut the expiry date line off!

Failing that, apply for a new one using EX15 again - but mention your existing number.

NickReve Oct 1st 2017 4:48 pm

Re: NIE Certificate renewal El Modelo 790- Tasa 012.
 
Thank you all for your replies but I STILL have't got any answer that can help me. My Certificate needs to be renewed. So PLEASE tell me if the following choice is the correct one:

English:
Assignment of Foreign Identity Number (NIE) at the request of the interested party.

Spanish:
Asignación de Número de Identidad de Extranjero (NIE) a instancia del interesado.

This option is for "Modelo 790- Tasa 012" on the internet.

bobd22 Oct 1st 2017 5:15 pm

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Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 12351063)
English:
Assignment of Foreign Identity Number (NIE) at the request of the interested party.

Spanish:
Asignación de Número de Identidad de Extranjero (NIE) a instancia del interesado.

This option is for "Modelo 790- Tasa 012" on the internet.

I am no expert on this but that reads as if it is say a solicitor or gestor applying on your behalf (as the interested party) is there not a box to tick as the applicant?

Loafing Along Oct 1st 2017 6:30 pm

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Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 12351063)
Thank you all for your replies but I STILL have't got any answer that can help me. My Certificate needs to be renewed. So PLEASE tell me if the following choice is the correct one:

English:
Assignment of Foreign Identity Number (NIE) at the request of the interested party.

Spanish:
Asignación de Número de Identidad de Extranjero (NIE) a instancia del interesado.

This option is for "Modelo 790- Tasa 012" on the internet.

Modelo 790 - Tasa 012 is really only to pay the fee €9,54

I think if you really want a duplicate of your NIE certificate first you have to report the "loss" to the police and receive a copy of the "denuncia" .

With the denuncia you will need to apply for a new one using the same form as an original application , EX-15 but in Section 4 "Motivos" - especifar - Perdida .

As with the first application you will need your passport, 3 photographs, pay the fee as above.

Fred James Oct 1st 2017 9:35 pm

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You do not need to file a denuncia. A friend recently needed a to produce her NIE but had lost it. A visit to the National Police sorted that and a new certificate was issued.

snikpoh Oct 2nd 2017 9:09 am

Re: NIE Certificate renewal El Modelo 790- Tasa 012.
 

Originally Posted by Loafing Along (Post 12351121)
Modelo 790 - Tasa 012 is really only to pay the fee €9,54

I think if you really want a duplicate of your NIE certificate first you have to report the "loss" to the police and receive a copy of the "denuncia" .

With the denuncia you will need to apply for a new one using the same form as an original application , EX-15 but in Section 4 "Motivos" - especifar - Perdida .

As with the first application you will need your passport, 3 photographs, pay the fee as above.

.. but it's not a loss - it's simply expired past the 3 month date

Loafing Along Oct 2nd 2017 11:19 am

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Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 12351496)
.. but it's not a loss - it's simply expired past the 3 month date

Yes, understood - that is why I put it in "inverted commas" just suggesting an alternative solution .

NickReve Oct 3rd 2017 6:29 am

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It seems like none of you have done this before but I hope someone out there can help me though! :fingerscrossed:

snikpoh Oct 3rd 2017 8:21 am

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Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 12352363)
It seems like none of you have done this before but I hope someone out there can help me though! :fingerscrossed:

Many have done it.

At some extranjeria you just go in and request a new one. At others they will ask you to complete another EX15.

Others (and some gestors/abogados) will just tell you to cut off the date line !

Modelo 790 is purely the payment form that you take to the bank - some will require you to pay again and others won't

discoman Oct 3rd 2017 9:31 am

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You just go to the National Police offices that deal with NIEs, Spanish passports etc. in your area and ask for a new NIE document on the basis that yours has expired. They will then do the paperwork and, if they so decide, issue a form for you to take to the bank to pay and on your return you will get the new NIE document. Let them do the work....it's the way it is in Spain and they just love taking charge and telling you what to do!

NickReve Oct 3rd 2017 1:28 pm

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Originally Posted by discoman (Post 12352473)
You just go to the National Police offices that deal with NIEs, Spanish passports etc. in your area and ask for a new NIE document on the basis that yours has expired. They will then do the paperwork and, if they so decide, issue a form for you to take to the bank to pay and on your return you will get the new NIE document. Let them do the work....it's the way it is in Spain and they just love taking charge and telling you what to do!

I know that Discoman. They don't give you appointments no longer. The problem is everything is "Cita previa" right now and should be done on the Internet and sometime it is so difficult to find out where and how. This is of course a very good excuse for Spanish office personal to get rid of you! I thought someone here might have done that before. :confused:

Loafing Along Oct 3rd 2017 2:31 pm

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Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 12352626)
I know that Discoman. They don't give you appointments no longer. The problem is everything is "Cita previa" right now and should be done on the Internet and sometime it is so difficult to find out where and how. This is of course a very good excuse for Spanish office personal to get rid of you! I thought someone here might have done that before. :confused:

All the information and links are here :

https://sede.administracionespublica...lus/index.html

Note that on the page there is a separate ink so you can find the right office in the area you reside to deal with foreigners

Fred James Oct 3rd 2017 4:07 pm

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I recently made an appointment online for INSS. Very efficient. Date confirmed by email and a text message and email the day before to remind me. It's now the same for most government departments including the tax office and police.

If you can't cope with it pay a gestor to do it.

Loafing Along Oct 3rd 2017 4:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12352775)
I recently made an appointment online for INSS. Very efficient. Date confirmed by email and a text message and email the day before to remind me. It's now the same for most government departments including the tax office and police.

If you can't cope with it pay a gestor to do it.

Absolutely , in the Marbella INSS office if you turn up without an appointment "Cita Previa" they will turn you away unless there is a helpful person at the reception desk who will try to find a spare slot for you. Basically all the staff are all on timed appointments and are obviously measured against meeting their daily quota.
Same with the health centres.

NickReve Oct 5th 2017 8:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Loafing Along (Post 12352700)
All the information and links are here :

https://sede.administracionespublica...lus/index.html

Note that on the page there is a separate ink so you can find the right office in the area you reside to deal with foreigners

Finally a person who knows what he/she is talking about. Thank you very much. :goodpost:

Fred James Oct 5th 2017 9:53 pm

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I think you will find that a number of other members have advised you correctly what you should do.

It is you who seem incapable of accepting simple advice.

Hopefully you will now be able to sort it out yourself and the matter can be closed.

NickReve Oct 6th 2017 5:31 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12354544)
I think you will find that a number of other members have advised you correctly what you should do.

It is you who seem incapable of accepting simple advice.

Hopefully you will now be able to sort it out yourself and the matter can be closed.

Wow! You don't know when to quit, do you? You have written a million words but didn't mention a simple link or website. So you have contributed nothing! If you don't have a solution to people's problem so you'd better be quiet. If you don't know what to do with your spare time, contact a gestor! They have all the good answers! :ohmy:

snikpoh Oct 6th 2017 5:45 am

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Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 12354705)
Wow! You don't know when to quit, do you? You have written a million words but didn't mention a simple link or website. So you have contributed nothing! If you don't have a solution to people's problem so you'd better be quiet. If you don't know what to do with your spare time, contact a gestor! They have all the good answers! :ohmy:

How rude.

Many of us told you what to do and gave you the correct answer.

You don't always need a link to get the correct information.

Rosemary Oct 6th 2017 7:45 am

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Originally Posted by NickReve (Post 12354705)
Wow! You don't know when to quit, do you? You have written a million words but didn't mention a simple link or website. So you have contributed nothing! If you don't have a solution to people's problem so you'd better be quiet. If you don't know what to do with your spare time, contact a gestor! They have all the good answers! :ohmy:

With that attitude I suspect that in the future if you ask a question people will back away fast. No wait, they will not because that is not how most members think, they generally try to help other members by giving them information, experience and advice.

Rosemary

discoman Oct 6th 2017 2:25 pm

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"the replies weren't any help to me."
Not really surprising because your original post and question - subsequently repeated - was incoherent.

Rosemary Oct 6th 2017 3:00 pm

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I will now close this thread as the poster is no longer a member of BE.

Rosemary


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