missile

Not hearsay
Not correct

MKABZ

Just one example. Note the use of the phrase "symptomatic covid-19"
https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-ce...v-2-virus.html

Mary.

growinspain

Dangerous Delta COVID-19 Variant Infecting Vaccinated Adults In Israel

christmasoompa

And in the UK too. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57525891

Joppa

'As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test, and of these:

• 34 (47%) were unvaccinated
• 10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
• 26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose'

As we know, these figures don't say they died of Covid. Only that they have died on unspecified cause while showing positive result in a Covid test. For all we know, they may have died of underlying issue unrelated to Covid, or in an accident.

Jon-Bxl

Quote:

In fact, most vaccines don't fully protect against infection, even if they can block symptoms from appearing. As a result, vaccinated people can unknowingly carry and spread pathogens. Occasionally, they can even start epidemics.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...pread-covid-19

The forum discussion has covered delta deaths after vaccination - but a web search show many articles from respected sources.

Sadly there is also a 'lambda variant' in 30 countries..

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronaviru...702-2021-06-18

What a nightmare.

Jon

SanDiegogirl

He's gone.......

MikeCol

Just thought this may help with the discussion above. My niece's husband has had both vaccinations & yesterday tested positive for Covid-19 🙁

Jon-Bxl

Thats so sad, sorry to hear. The vax2's give good protection (after 2-3 weeks) but no guarantee, as you know.. However they should reduce the major problems vs a non vaccinated person, lets hope so here.

This morning I printed out our 'EU digital COVID certificates'. 'Free movement' + travel in the EU was the goal from July 1 (with individual country oversight). The latest restrictions announced, eg, Portugal for Germany.... means that even before it started we are having problems. As a major EU power Germany will have followers. E.g there is a quarantine requirement for the UK and Portugal, I wont be surprised if other countries follow suit. . Belgium have done just that in the last couple of days, also putting the UK on the equivalent of the red list. No non essential travel allowed. We are officially residents so a 'special case' so can enter. But need to keep an eagle eye on any significant changes in France too as we are crossing that, and also 'get out of dodge' if Spain or France shut borders down. These kinds of problems have happened a couple of times already - its not new. I'm not blaming any country here, each country has to put the health of the citizens first.

We drove down for the first time in 14 years to have the car, in case of a problem. This way we could arrive and leave whenever we want - and if there is a problem - we just jump in the car and get back. As non Spanish residents we don't want to be locked down here - as we were last year - borders closed + airline grounded. Less than a week of our arrival we see restrictions increasing and I am expecting that we will have to quarantine on return to Belgium, even with the CV certificate. We absolutely love it here, couldn't wait to come back - and were driving down within a few days of the borders opening for us. But we want to be near family, our doctors etc in case of another lockdown or any other problems.

Lots of social stuff organised as usual, so we will try and have a good laugh before leaving - whenever that is!

Jon

missile

.......... but the slippery Haddock has not resigned as MP. After profiteering from Covid he is certainly not "poor".

neil77

With regard to travel, with Portugal announcing the latest additional rule effective from Monday [I think its today, not next Monday] that anyone travelling to Portugal from UK, who have not had both vaccine jabs, must quarantine for 14 days, how does this effect most of us in Ayamonte, who transit into Faro and then into Spain? Already the 'Passenger Locator Forms' dont work, and no-one in the relevant department in Portugal has any answers to that problem, so I do wonder now what are the rules for anyone flying into Faro and going directly to the Spanish border?

growinspain

Is not that for a vote to decide? The people voted him in, they can vote him out or do you want a non democratic country.

missile

An honourable man would have resigned as MP.
The Tory party could expell him.
The people can choose to vote for someone else at the next election.

Democracy? It is interesting that MI5 are investigating this "security breach".

del.Almendro

Just completed our Portuguese Passenger Locator Cards (PLC) using Spanish address OK. Put 'Espanha' in the address field and put your ES zip code in PT format, so 21400 becomes 0021-400. It works fine.

Border at International Bridge on A22/A49 remains open we believe. Due to fly Squeezyjet Brizzle to Faro this Saturday. Test results and double-jabbed certificates at the ready.

First visit since returning to UK on 6th November last year.

neil77

handy tip for the passenger locator forms, thanks for that! We've been putting in our Spanish address and a postcode from Vila Real!
You have your 2 x vaccine certificates, but Im wondering on the situation for anyone who hasnt had their jab or jabs, will they be allowed to transit Portugal to drive directly to Spain with this new 'no 2 x jabs = 14 day quarantine' rule that came in yesterday?