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Old Jan 13th 2011, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by cricketman
Yes, but you need to change "alcohol" to "alcohol abuse"

Drinking a moderate amount of alcohol has no negative effects, if fact some studies show it has a positive effect.

Similar to eating red meat. Moderate consumption causes no harm and is probably quite good for you. Too much and you are risking the chance of cancer and heart disease.
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Yes, according to yesterday's paper 3 cañas for men a day, two for women, is good for you! Helps reduce the risk of hipertension and diabetes.
Oo-er!! Don't want to derail this thread but look what it says next in the Cancer Research UK article:

Can light drinking increase the risk of cancer?
Alcohol can increase the risk of cancer at levels far too low to make an average person drunk. It’s not just people who have ‘drinking problems’ who have higher risks.

As little as 3 units a day can increase the risk of mouth, throat, food pipe, breast and bowel cancers. That’s the amount in one pint of premium lager or a large glass of wine!

Alcohol has a weaker effect on the risk of breast cancer than on other cancers, but it starts having an effect at a lower level.
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Old Jan 13th 2011, 8:42 am
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Everyone has different levels of sensitivity to alcohol and other substances.

I refuse to let this sort of 'bogeyman' reporting affect my life style.
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Old Jan 13th 2011, 9:02 am
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Oo-er!! Don't want to derail this thread but look what it says next in the Cancer Research UK article:
Now they're scaremongering

Do they mention how much watching TV or turning on a lightbulb increases your chances of getting cancer? How about filling your car full of petrol?

Oops, I starting to sound like jojo
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Old Jan 13th 2011, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by cricketman
Yes, but you need to change "alcohol" to "alcohol abuse"

Drinking a moderate amount of alcohol has no negative effects, if fact some studies show it has a positive effect.
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Quite so but if you read the papers regularly just about every month someone comes up and disputes the previous study findings.

There is a Genetic fault that predisposes a quarter of all people to become addicted to smoking.

Tins of cigarettes were issued in the Second World War to combat stress in servicemen. It was the only "drug" that many got as it was considered less harmful than anything else that could be prescribed.

In the Falklands War the large majority of service men were said to smoke because they considered to aid stress.

When you wrote about alcohol you failed to say what was a moderate amount or mention drunken driving. What would be a moderate number of cigarettes to smoke.

Might be nice to see people less judgemental than they are or do they enjoy trying to bully the few smokers that are prepared to put the head above the parapet.

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All I can say is what a joy it is to now go into a bar or a restaurant and have clean air to breath and not come out having your clothes stinking , and I have heard no complaints from the Spanish at all, in our area they seem to have all accepted it without moaning and these are all Spanish run businesses.
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Quite so but if you read the papers regularly just about every month someone comes up and disputes the previous study findings.

There is a Genetic fault that predisposes a quarter of all people to become addicted to smoking.

Tins of cigarettes were issued in the Second World War to combat stress in servicemen. It was the only "drug" that many got as it was considered less harmful than anything else that could be prescribed.

In the Falklands War the large majority of service men were said to smoke because they considered to aid stress.

When you wrote about alcohol you failed to say what was a moderate amount or mention drunken driving. What would be a moderate number of cigarettes to smoke.

Might be nice to see people less judgemental than they are or do they enjoy trying to bully the few smokers that are prepared to put the head above the parapet.

Jim
10 out of 10! Well said.
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Originally Posted by Bigger Jim

Tins of cigarettes were issued in the Second World War to combat stress in servicemen. It was the only "drug" that many got as it was considered less harmful than anything else that could be prescribed.
I am not so sure that is correct as think they were issued as part of the rations to all soldiers together with some chocolate.
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Seriously.... how many times do we have to debate this? Smokers lost out in the common sense onslaught of EU mediocrity, good, the net result is that its becoming more and more of a filthy habit and now they are in the minority.... and the best bit? There is ABSOLUTELY bugger all they can do about it...
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I am not so sure that is correct as think they were issued as part of the rations to all soldiers together with some chocolate.
I dont think any western army issues fags anymore , I remember getting them in the 80`s , I used to swop mine for tinned processed cheese
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Old Jan 13th 2011, 2:56 pm
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Quite so but if you read the papers regularly just about every month someone comes up and disputes the previous study findings.

There is a Genetic fault that predisposes a quarter of all people to become addicted to smoking.

Tins of cigarettes were issued in the Second World War to combat stress in servicemen. It was the only "drug" that many got as it was considered less harmful than anything else that could be prescribed.

In the Falklands War the large majority of service men were said to smoke because they considered to aid stress.

When you wrote about alcohol you failed to say what was a moderate amount or mention drunken driving. What would be a moderate number of cigarettes to smoke.

Might be nice to see people less judgemental than they are or do they enjoy trying to bully the few smokers that are prepared to put the head above the parapet.

Jim
Smoking even a few cigs predisposes you to addiction. For a lot of people, I think that works out at a packet of 20.

How many people become alcoholics thru drinking a beer with their lunch?
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Originally Posted by whitelinen
I am not so sure that is correct as think they were issued as part of the rations to all soldiers together with some chocolate.
This was in the field when they carried their own rations. They had 7 cigs in a one man pack and enough for 7 each in a five man pack. In barracks they would use the cook house and I assume they drew their cigarettes separately.

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Smoking even a few cigs predisposes you to addiction. For a lot of people, I think that works out at a packet of 20.

How many people become alcoholics thru drinking a beer with their lunch?
Can't say I know. Would you be talking about a Hofbrau Haus where the norm is a 2 Litre stein or a venta where a glass is 300ml. I assume it's a rhetorical question and you don't really want an answer.

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Can't say I know. Would you be talking about a Hofbrau Haus where the norm is a 2 Litre stein or a venta where a glass is 300ml. I assume it's a rhetorical question and you don't really want an answer.

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I'm just trying to compare the two substances. I think that the average person has little real risk of addiction from drinking a pint of beer a day.

However wrto smoking, I have seen the figures given that smoking 20 fags can ensure addiction in a worryingly high % of the population.

That's not as in 20 a day, or 20 a week, it's a one off, which suggests to me that there isn't a moderate amount you can smoke without risking addiction.
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I'm just trying to compare the two substances. I think that the average person has little real risk of addiction from drinking a pint of beer a day.

However wrto smoking, I have seen the figures given that smoking 20 fags can ensure addiction in a worryingly high % of the population.

That's not as in 20 a day, or 20 a week, it's a one off, which suggests to me that there isn't a moderate amount you can smoke without risking addiction.
One answer I read states that it can be genetic and you don't have to drink to be addicted to alcohol.

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I had a mate who used to work for the The Tobacco Advisory Council. They were a group funded by the Tobacco Industry to promote smoking. Even they admitted that Tobacco was more addictive than Heroin.
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