scampicat

At least one bar in our village has ignored the ban. I know this to be true as the licensee has said so on Facebook!

bil

I have enormous respect for those who kick the habit, because I know how hard it is. MyOH used to smoke, so I have metaphorically 'been there'.

Nowadays there are patches and all sorts of therapy to get people off the habit. I'd ask smokers on here to list the efforts they have made to try and stop smoking. It would be really interesting to see if they have made much of an effort.

scampicat

True. I think I have mentioned earlier in the thread that my husband's cousin was able to give up with the help of some tablets from the Dr and a non-smoking clinic. She had smoked twenty a day for forty years. She has not smoked now for three years. Well done that lady!

Some people however, do not wish to give up. I have a friend here in the village who wheezes like a set of bellows and can't walk up the hills. She knows this is through smoking. Yes, she is addicted, but she just shrugs and says we all have to die of something. She does not want to give up, she does not want to seek help for her addiction, even though her health is affected.

bil

I can top that. I saw a Horizon programme which featured a man who smoked heavily, started to get pains in one leg. He was told that if he didn't stop that the arteries in his leg would fail, and he would need a massive operation. He didn't stop, and had to have the op. He continued to smoke, the pains returned, and he was told that if he didn't stop, this time he would lose the leg, as the op couldn't be repeated. He continued to smoke, lost the leg, and then repeated the whole process with the other leg.

He then started to get pains in his arms........

I have a friend who admits to smoking 80 a day, but the estimated figure is close to 100. He has had a stroke, that was identified as smoking related. Will he even cut down? As if.

frigilianafreddy

Yep, all fascinating stuff.

But are the bars and restaurants ciggie free?

bil

We've only been in a few, but yes, so far they are.

jimenato

My list of Medical Scientific organisations trumps your list of internet bloggers.

Quote from Wiki

Casa Santo Estevo

jimenato Nope it does not, if you care to read tall of the links I gave you will understand that the reports( on either side) can be railroaded through. Just like the one about Global Warming reports.

What I get from this is that no one should believe the first thing you see on the internet. Read and research there is always 2 sides of a story. Especially in Wiki, never trust that it is manipulated for political means. Like in that page you linked too. If it was truly impartial you would see both sides of a story.

cricketman I would love to see your study into this subject. Where is it on line?

bil

What is needed is to use ones brain.

Inhaling smoke is bad. I cannot understand anyone trying to deny that. Smoke contains harmful chemicals. How can you say that inhaling a little is harmless? It is less harmful, but it still does some harm.

Global warming (AGW) deniers have actually talked themselves into a corner from which it is going to be very difficult to get out of. Here is the question to ask.

AGW deniers have always said clearly that the main, almost exclusive, input of heat to the planet is the sun, and that human input of greenhouse gas has had no effect.

So here's the question.

Over the last decade or more, the sun has been in a quiet, almost sunspot free period. It has been burning less vigorously, and has emitted a lot less heat in that time. So, if the human input has been zero, pray why has the earth not cooled since it has received so much less heat from the sun??

Dick Dasterdly

Sorry Elle, but you virually destroy whatever case you may have had, with that admission about your husband and many others like him.

You openly admit that he and many others like him are ignorant and unaware of the problems they cause.

Therefore until such time as they are fully aware, I hope you can understand why I and others like me, would much prefer not to enjoy the pleasure of their company, even on an outdoor terrace.

jimenato

I can see why internet bloggers might wish to twist this - maybe they are smokers like the doctor who wrote the first article trying to justify their addiction to themselves, maybe they are tobacco industry shills, maybe they are bar owners who want to allow smoking in their bars - there are any number of reasons.

But I can't think of one reason why international health authorities would want to spin it - not one. So I know which group I trust for honesty.

whitelinen

In the case of proving smoking is bad for you a picture is certainly worth more than a thousand words. Google smokers lungs images ............ there will be thousands of images many with healthy lungs next to smokers lungs. If that doesnt stop people smoking, nothing will.

I wouldnt want those blackened putrid smokers lungs in my body and certainly do not want to breath smoke that has passed through them....no wonder smokers smell so bad, they are rotting on the inside.

jackytoo

I can see why internet bloggers might wish to twist this - maybe they are smokers like the doctor who wrote the first article trying to justify their addiction to themselves, maybe they are tobacco industry shills, maybe they are bar owners who want to allow smoking in their bars - there are any
But I can't think of one reason why international health authorities would want to spin it - not one. So I know which group I trust for honesty.

Not even those big fat research grants

jimenato

Sorry - but I really don't know what you mean.

cricketman

I have had research published, although not on those subjects.

However, given that I have been trained in Chemistry, maybe I thought my opinion may be worth something. Just like you may ask a Dr what they thought about an illness, even if they had not done original research on that particular illness

But you can ignore my opinion if you like, you are obviously incapable of evaluating data, but dont worry, so many people are!