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angiescarr Jun 16th 2012 5:04 am

The negative equity trap in the UK
 
Not about Spain but I know a lot of members on here have bought and sold houses either as landlords or for themselves.
I have friends in the UK who are desperate to move to a bigger house but their house is now worth 30,000 less than their mortgage. So if they sell it their savings of around a similar amount would be swallowed up leaving nothing for a deposit.
They're told to buy a second house they'd have to get the second one buy -to-let as the first one has no equity. Buy to let needs a large deposit which they haven't got.
What would you do?

jackytoo Jun 16th 2012 5:17 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 
They should stay where they are. Which area is it? We have just sold a house in the South East for a nice profit over 3 years. Chuffed actually:)

steviedeluxe Jun 16th 2012 6:11 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 
According to this article from the Wall Street Journal, UK Real Estate is overvalued by 30% (50% in London). A correction is overdue, but who knows, maybe the BoE QE programme will sort it all out painlessly?

( article makes for pretty grim reading - you have been warned)

http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2012/06/15/the-bank-of-englands-zombie-economy/

angiescarr Jun 16th 2012 7:44 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10122815)
They should stay where they are. Which area is it? We have just sold a house in the South East for a nice profit over 3 years. Chuffed actually:)

This is likely to be what they have to do. It's in the north and is a low value house. Nice to hear some positive news for a change though. Enjoy your profit:)

angiescarr Jun 16th 2012 7:47 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10122862)
According to this article from the Wall Street Journal, UK Real Estate is overvalued by 30% (50% in London). A correction is overdue, but who knows, maybe the BoE QE programme will sort it all out painlessly?

( article makes for pretty grim reading - you have been warned)

http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2012/06/15/the-bank-of-englands-zombie-economy/

Yes. It's the grim truth. I always knew about the link between income and house prices was overstretched But when it's someone you know and care about. You kind of hope for a chink of light for them. The problem is. When their house is worth more. So will anything they want to up-scale to be.

Beaverstate Jun 16th 2012 8:05 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10122862)
According to this article from the Wall Street Journal, UK Real Estate is overvalued by 30% (50% in London). A correction is overdue, but who knows, maybe the BoE QE programme will sort it all out painlessly?

( article makes for pretty grim reading - you have been warned)

http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2012/06/15/the-bank-of-englands-zombie-economy/

I remember back in early 2008 the housing market in my area of the US was still at it's peak, even though most of the country had already collapsed. Many believed local conditions and rules (growth planning) protected us. Wishful thinking, we caught up with reality.

Domino Jun 16th 2012 8:43 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 
living on the edge of the fens, a decent 3 bed semi, proper front and back gardens, would set you back no more than £125k.

one of the problems is that so many people are not saving for the deposit. back in the days our first property was £7,500 and we needed 10% deposit with an interest rate of 8%, all on a salary of £40wk. but we made it.

too often the papers are stuffed full of sad stories of a 24yo who has been to uni and cannot afford to buy a house. of course not, they havent been working long enough to save a deposit.
mind you, got the latest iPhone, 42" tv, all the other gizmo's, good holidays, etc etc. Their priorities are all wrong ! !

Yes it is back luck for people in the negative equity trap, I was exactly the same 20yrs ago. It will take time to resolve, you just have to have patience and prepare to jump the next time around.

rgds

Beaverstate Jun 16th 2012 9:02 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10123611)
living on the edge of the fens, a decent 3 bed semi, proper front and back gardens, would set you back no more than £125k.

one of the problems is that so many people are not saving for the deposit. back in the days our first property was £7,500 and we needed 10% deposit with an interest rate of 8%, all on a salary of £40wk. but we made it.

too often the papers are stuffed full of sad stories of a 24yo who has been to uni and cannot afford to buy a house. of course not, they havent been working long enough to save a deposit.
mind you, got the latest iPhone, 42" tv, all the other gizmo's, good holidays, etc etc. Their priorities are all wrong ! !

Yes it is back luck for people in the negative equity trap, I was exactly the same 20yrs ago. It will take time to resolve, you just have to have patience and prepare to jump the next time around.

rgds

Exactly, prioritize. Buy a house you can afford, stay in it for 10 or 20 years, and you will be OK:)

teuchterpete Jun 16th 2012 10:15 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 
Still not easy when you graduate from uni with a loan of £40K outstanding, before you even start work.

Domino Jun 16th 2012 10:43 pm

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 10123625)
Exactly, prioritize. Buy a house you can afford, stay in it for 10 or 20 years, and you will be OK:)

well it was good enough for us,
in some cases it was good enough for our parents

but the kids of today have different priorities, they just want a card that will give them everything, no worries about paying it off, after all the government has the same attitude.

anonimouse Jun 17th 2012 5:25 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 
Hmmm I am sure if their house is worth less the new house should be worth less unless they are moving up market. They should wait and ride out the storm or sell less and buy less, it's all relative.

jackytoo Jun 17th 2012 5:29 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 
yes good point, didn't think of that:)

angiescarr Jun 17th 2012 8:39 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 10124191)
Hmmm I am sure if their house is worth less the new house should be worth less unless they are moving up market. They should wait and ride out the storm or sell less and buy less, it's all relative.

The point is they are moving up from a v small house to a family home....or wish they were!

angiescarr Jun 17th 2012 8:41 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10123737)
well it was good enough for us,
in some cases it was good enough for our parents

but the kids of today have different priorities, they just want a card that will give them everything, no worries about paying it off, after all the government has the same attitude.

You make some good points except that for us university education was fee.
As you say, The thing we're teaching them giving them loans that they can't pay off is very bad education!

agoreira Jun 17th 2012 9:25 am

Re: The negative equity trap in the UK
 

Originally Posted by angiescarr (Post 10124446)
As you say, The thing we're teaching them giving them loans that they can't pay off is very bad education!

Why can't they pay them off? AFAIK, they only have to start repaying once they start earning a certain wage, £21k?? And then it's only a few pounds a week. If they don't earn, they don't have to pay.


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