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Courageous May 27th 2008 9:57 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6401894)
see into the future can we?

................... in your case - yes!

rugbymatt May 27th 2008 9:58 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by Courageous (Post 6401899)
................... in your case - yes!

I doubt it........


So driving an illegal vehicle is OK......what about drink driving?

Courageous May 27th 2008 10:07 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6401909)
I doubt it........


So driving an illegal vehicle is OK......what about drink driving?

.......... and what about eating while driving, changing dvd, putting make up on, farting, phoning, fornicating - Oh look we're describing the "clueless morons" I referred to earlier! Amazing isn't it?????

I advocate operating a safe machine in a safe manner and that is all. This has to be safer (if you don't know the meaning of this word then please look it up before replying) than those who drive in a reckless and downright dangerous manner. Surely THAT much is obvious no?

Legal does not state nor imply safe.

rugbymatt May 27th 2008 10:10 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by Courageous (Post 6401934)
.......... and what about eating while driving, changing dvd, putting make up on, farting, phoning, fornicating - Oh look we're describing the "clueless morons" I referred to earlier! Amazing isn't it?????

I advocate operating a safe machine in a safe manner and that is all. This has to be safer (if you don't know the meaning of this word then please look it up before replying) than those who drive in a reckless and downright dangerous manner. Surely THAT much is obvious no?

Legal does not state nor imply safe.

but it is a law, and it means that IF you hit someone, their insurance company will screw them over because there was no insurance.......


Dress it up all you like, its illegal, and being illegal IS NOT HARD, IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, it is as simple as providing all the minimum legal requirements for operating a motorised vehicle in the country you live in!!!!

Same Difference May 27th 2008 10:18 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 
[QUOTE=rugbymatt;6401943]but it is a law, and it means that IF you hit someone, their insurance company will screw them over because there was no insurance.......


Dress it up all you like, its illegal, and being illegal IS NOT HARD, IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, it is as simple as providing all the minimum legal requirements for operating a motorised vehicle in the country you live in!!!![/
QUOTE]


I just wish all you ignoramous illegal drivers would read the post quoted and get your vehicles made legal, before you have an accident and learn the hard way!!

Courageous May 27th 2008 10:26 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 
[QUOTE=Same Difference;6401954]

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6401943)
but it is a law, and it means that IF you hit someone, their insurance company will screw them over because there was no insurance.......


Dress it up all you like, its illegal, and being illegal IS NOT HARD, IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, it is as simple as providing all the minimum legal requirements for operating a motorised vehicle in the country you live in!!!![/
QUOTE]


I just wish all you ignoramous illegal drivers would read the post quoted and get your vehicles made legal, before you have an accident and learn the hard way!!

Yes then evewyfink will be awright and all those fluffywuffy widdle modorcars can dwive awound wivout any wuwwies. Maybe then mummy might wet me out in the daywight so i can pway wiv my new gun in the park...........

Soooooooooooooooo many issues and so little time! You bible thumpers really gotta get out more!

steveb19 May 27th 2008 10:29 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6401894)
see into the future can we?

Are classic bikes treated the same or are they Ok on brit plates? I seem to remember reading in the VMCC mag that they were looked on more favourably. I have quite a few old bikes in UK , problem is if I bought one to Spain I would need a workshop full of tools too! Which is why I stick to my Kawasaki out in Espana. If I think on I'll ask the question to VMCC
Steve

rugbymatt May 27th 2008 10:29 am

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 
[QUOTE=Courageous;6401975]

Originally Posted by Same Difference (Post 6401954)
Yes then evewyfink will be awright and all those fluffywuffy widdle modorcars can dwive awound wivout any wuwwies. Maybe then mummy might wet me out in the daywight so i can pway wiv my new gun in the park...........

Soooooooooooooooo many issues and so little time! You bible thumpers really gotta get out more!

Legal...............................Not legal



simple really

El Capitan May 27th 2008 7:35 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 
[QUOTE=rugbymatt;6401986]

Originally Posted by Courageous (Post 6401975)

Legal...............................Not legal



simple really

Not as simple as you might think Matt. Have you EVER broken a speed limit, if you have then pot-black-kettle springs to mind. Have you EVER driven home from the pub knowing you might be over the limit (which incidentally is stricter in Spain than in the UK). Have you EVER used your mobile phone when driving? Have you ever heard of an insurance company not paying out because someone was breaking a speed limit? I assume you are aware how many Spanish nationals are driving around without licences and without any form of insurance. You are mathematically far more at risk from them from a tourist on UK plates in Spain or any other country. If your papers are all in order, vehicle taxed, tested and insured in country of registration your insurance company will pay out unless thay have some basis on which to challenge you. It is quite a realistic scenario that brits come over to the continent with a camper van or towing their caravan for more than 6 months a year, touring around with no fixed abode. What about them?

The resident brits on the CdS are, in my opinion, just asking for trouble with UK plated vehicles untaxed and without valid MoT for year upon year. Maybe you should direct your thoughts and your wrath at those who are blatantly breaking the laws which make them at high risk of being uninsured.

:curse:

rugbymatt May 27th 2008 7:38 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 
[QUOTE=El Capitan;6403081]

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6401986)

Not as simple as you might think Matt. Have you EVER broken a speed limit, if you have then pot-black-kettle springs to mind. Have you EVER driven home from the pub knowing you might be over the limit (which incidentally is stricter in Spain than in the UK). Have you EVER used your mobile phone when driving? Have you ever heard of an insurance company not paying out because someone was breaking a speed limit? I assume you are aware how many Spanish nationals are driving around without licences and without any form of insurance. You are mathematically far more at risk from them from a tourist on UK plates in Spain or any other country. If your papers are all in order, vehicle taxed, tested and insured in country of registration your insurance company will pay out unless thay have some basis on which to challenge you. It is quite a realistic scenario that brits come over to the continent with a camper van or towing their caravan for more than 6 months a year, touring around with no fixed abode. What about them?

The resident brits on the CdS are, in my opinion, just asking for trouble with UK plated vehicles untaxed and without valid MoT for year upon year. Maybe you should direct your thoughts and your wrath at those who are blatantly breaking the laws which make them at high risk of being uninsured.

:curse:


Speed limits I agree, there are times I inadvertently creep over.........drink drive? Never, and lets face it, we are talking about something totally different, we are talking about actively going out, every single time and breaking the law with intent to break the law.

and the argument of "there are loads doing it" is one a 12 year old would use.

El Capitan May 27th 2008 7:47 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6401943)
but it is a law, and .......

Dress it up all you like, its illegal, and being illegal IS NOT HARD, IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, it is as simple as providing all the minimum legal requirements for operating a motorised vehicle in the country you live in!!!!


Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6403094)

Speed limits I agree, there are times I inadvertently creep over.........drink drive? Never, and lets face it, we are talking about something totally different, ....

So in your eyes Matt, there are important laws and less important laws.

And the statistics keep on pointing to speed as the major contributor to accidents and injury.

:thumbdown:

rugbymatt May 27th 2008 7:55 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by El Capitan (Post 6403116)
So in your eyes Matt, there are important laws and less important laws.

And the statistics keep on pointing to speed as the major contributor to accidents and injury.

:thumbdown:

don't put words in my mouth, I am more than capable of talking thanks.

IF you creep over the speed limit, then it is generally unintentional, I live in a very rural area and stick religiously to the limits, they are there for a reason.
the stretch from that to getting on an illegal bike/car is a long one.


Its up to you, do as you wish, but don't be too surprised if I get sanctimonious about it, and don't post it on an open forum where newbies will read it pillock.

El Capitan May 27th 2008 8:09 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6403145)
don't put words in my mouth, I am more than capable of talking thanks.

Not guilty, read thread. Your words exactly as you posted. Your own inconsistency.


Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6403145)
IF you creep over the speed limit, then it is generally unintentional,....

That doesnt get anybody off a speeding fine, nor make speeding less risky. If anything, the unintentional increase in speed shows you are not paying enough attention to your driving. Easy done but cruise control is wonderful in that respect and is one reason I have a licence free of any points or penalties.


Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 6403145)
Its up to you, do as you wish, ......

Why, thank you for granting your permission young sir.

rugbymatt May 27th 2008 8:12 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 

Originally Posted by El Capitan (Post 6403196)
Not guilty, read thread. Your words exactly as you posted. Your own inconsistency.



That doesnt get anybody off a speeding fine, nor make speeding less risky. If anything, the unintentional increase in speed shows you are not paying enough attention to your driving. Easy done but cruise control is wonderful in that respect and is one reason I have a licence free of any points or penalties.



Why, thank you for granting your permission young sir.

Pillock. Utter pillock.

you know you are in the wrong and try, unsuccessfully, to use sarcasm as a weapon .

El Capitan May 27th 2008 8:17 pm

Re: Motorcycles abroad
 
I know I am consistent with my arguments and consistently trying to follow the topic of the thread :cool:


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