Motorcycle in Spain: Update
 

I would have posted to an older thread, but it's closed ;).

Took mine to the ITV last week. Paid €84.66 for the extended ITV inspection (CAMBIO RESIDENCIA) and about €75 for the engineer's report that will make the technical document (Ficha Técnica). By jove, this is a CBR600FW, like all the other gazillion that were sold in Spain in 1998 :sneaky:.

The ITV passed and I didn't change anything. Not the headlight, not the speedo. The headlight was fitted by D&K in the UK when the bike was grey-imported from Netherlands. They charged me 100 quid (still got the receipt) for the pleasure about 9 years ago. I now suspect whether they changed anything at all... The inspector just put the light up against a wall to see that the top edge of the beam was flat and that made him a satisfied bunny. I have the ITV sticker and certificate to prove it.

I expect to pick up the green Ficha Técnica card tommorrow. I will then tear off the 'permanently exported' part of the V5 to return to DVLA and then go down to tráfico with the original V5 (which I expect them to keep), some cash, the ITV cert, padrón cert, the ficha técnica, original receipt for bike and some blood (kidding).

Fingers crossed that I can get the plate made this week.

Regarding AMV for bike insurance, I seem to notice that their web site requires that you have a Spanish driving license (not a UK one). Now, I don't know whether they can discriminate in this way, but you all know how insurance companies love reasons to not pay, however unreasonable...

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Sounds good so far marcusj.
They did not bother with my headlight either and that was original UK Triumph spec. I know Triumph do a "continental" headlight but the ITV station accepted the UK one. so long as there was one dipped light and one full beam, that was all that mattered.
Trafico did not keep my V5 but the Spanish permiso de circulacion does refer back to the UK V5. Now it depends if they will ask you to pay 12% first matriculation tax or not. Either way you pay the first year road tax when you register it but at 600cc you are well below the 1000cc where the annual tax jumps up.

As for your driving licence, a few insurance companies said they only accept a Spanish licence or a UK one (or any EU one) which is homologated with Trafico. To do that you need to do the medical and take it to Trafico and get some sort of note proving that you have passed the same medical check as if you had a Spanish licence. Nobody can insist you change licence to Spanish but they can insist you comply with equivalent measures re medical checks. Spanish licence holders have to pass the medical check every 10 yrs up to age of 45, then every 5 yrs up to 70 and then every 2 yrs thereafter. It cost me €30 and is so simple to do, eyesight and coordination.

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How much is the road tax as a matter of interest?

And does the 12% first matriculation tax work on the 1998 Spanish list price (which would make a total farce of the need to have an engineer create a 'special' document detailing a bog standard Honda CBR600FW), the original purchase price (from my receipt from D&K) or some lower value (from some kind of Spanish Glass' Guide or depreciated calculation from my purchase price) bearing in mind it's a 9-year-old?

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Now you challenge the old grey cells. Think the annual road tax was only around 30 or 40 euros, half the tax for >1000cc. The 12% tax is on its perceived current value not new value. Yes, they have some sort of glass' guide but if you have only just arrived in Spain as a resident (date of padron for example) you should be exempt from the registration tax. They dont care what you paid for it, it will either be exempt or they will have a value in their book. If it were not an EU standard model then it could get interesting to value it.

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Great. And the case rests regarding the futility of paying an engineer to create a special technical document descibing a mass-production vehicle which sold many thousands throughout EU, becuase they (or at least, a different Spanish official) can go and look its value up in a book.

Actually, the bike's been in my Spanish garage while I've been declaring SORN remotely for the last 3 years. The padrón has a date of 2005. So I'll be paying some registration tax, then, unless I'm a very lucky chap.

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Aye, I reckon you will be paying the tax.
As for the ficha reducida, the engineer's report, I have heard some get a ficha reducida from the manufacture or importer but pay even more. Somebody officially has to write down the key dimensions and specs of the bike for the ITV station to check it and issue the ITV. You got off paying less than I did for that bit. My special ITV cost €120 and the ficha reducida the same, €120 but that was through a Gestor.

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Sigh...

...today I got a(nother) taste of Spanish bureaucracy. Went to the main Hacienda office in Murcia with a view to walk out with a certificate that no tax was necessary (being an ever-hopeful chap) or pay some wonga for registering a road vehicle (for the second time within EU, who says that it's Europe sans frontiers?). So I go to the window marked 'Matrícula Vehículos' and wait until the functionary has finished her 3 minute chat with her friend behind the counter. I spread the papers out and wait. She tells me all about form 6 which I can buy (!) in a kiosk near the office (!) and then she sees the date (2005) on my padrón certificate and stops. Nothing more can be done at this window. Take a number and wait at the general information area.

After 15 minutes I get to the head of the queue where I succinctly and politely explain the situation and that the matrícula lady sent me over here. The chap looks in a book and extracts a figure of €5000 for all 600cc motorbikes. Then depreciates it to 19% of its original sale value and then takes 12% of that as the first-registration tax. Fortunately we are now down to €114. Not too much. I have that in my pocket. How do I pay? Well... ...for that you need a form 567 which we don't have, you can only get it on the Internet. And you can only get it on the Internet if you have a personal digital certificate. OK, can I have one of those? Yes, it's easy, you go home, log on to the internet, do some stuff in your browser, print something out and then come back here tomorrow to get the certificate which you can then take home again and then you will have the form 567 which you can fill in and print out and pay the tax at a bank. Or get a gestor to do it for you.

Wow. I tell the functionary that I understand it, that it's a bit complicated, but I understand it. Ha. I might have well have said 'you're a complete waste of space and your country's bureaucracy is a running joke throughout Europe'. The polite retort from the functionary was 'no, it's simple, here's a leaflet telling you how to get your personal digital certificate'.

I walk out and in the ~38 degree heat of Gran Vía indulgence gets the better of me and I call my accountant and tell him I'm coming around in a minute to let him deal with it.

I get home to find that, like so many Spanish web sites, the process of getting a personal digital certificate does not work. (Lots of errors from my Firefox browser telling me that the certificate authority for the secure web site is bogus / non-existent and I'd better not type in anything important into these pages, etc..)

¡Viva España!

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Estimado marcusj, that is why I paid a gestor to do the final registration bit with Trafico. Worth every euro just for less stress. Glad though that the first matriculation tax is not so bad for you. Chin up m8. You could soon be on the open road again :thumbup:

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Correction it's a form 576.

Picked it up from the accountant all paid up today. Then had one false start going to tráfico to get a registration number. Bzzzt. Wrong way round. Need to go to the Ayuntamiento first to pay road tax first (using the chassis number). That was around €26.20 (dunno whether they discounted the full year on account of there being only 4 months left in the year, wasn't in a mood to haggle anyway). Bonus while I was in that office was to correct my 'master' postal address and check if I'd forgotten to pay any other local taxes, which I had, tut, tut. Naughty me, another €33 to pay (nothing to do with registering the bike, but better to get it all done). Right. Then a cold drink and an empanadilla. Off to queue in the Cajamurcia bank to pay my taxes. Then via a papelería to get a photocopy of the road tax payment receipt. Then back to the tráfico office of the local police. Fill in a form to say what I want to do. Pay around €70.80 at the cash desk (for once don't have to schlep over to a bank outside) for the pleasure of them issuing a Spanish registration number. Then upstairs to the matrícula window, hand over receipt for road tax, ITV pass certificate, original log book / V5 from UK, ficha técnica, tarjeta residencia and photocopies of all the above. Go and sit down for another 10 minutes. Get hailed back to the window. Tada! New Permiso de Circulación paper (showing what I need on the Spanish license plate) and original ficha técnica. They did not give me the V5 back. €70.80 for less than 10 minutes' work, not bad (perhaps dentists and solicitors should consider giving up their day jobs). Finally, stop by a little hole-in-the-wall kind of operation conveniently close to the cop shop and get a while-you-wait plate made (photocopies of tarjeta residencia and permiso de circulación taken): €10.

Total cost: €84.66 (ITV change of address inspection fee) + €71.00 (ITV station engineer's fees for making the ficha técnica) + €144.00 (registration tax at the Hacienda (because I didn't register the bike within 90 days of moving to Spain)) + €26.20 (road tax at the ayuntamiento) + €70.80 (licensing fee at the local police) + €10 (making the plate) + whatever you might pay to get somebody to help you (especially paying the practically-impossible-to-do-DIY 576 form to the Hacienda).

Minimum cost to get on the road on my nine-year-old, delayed-matriculation, 599cc bike: €406.66. Had I done it within 90 days of registering on the padrón (would have been totally impossible for me to do anyway), I could have saved €144.

All of that in ~38 degree sun. And Murcia isn't exactly a tiny place so most of these offices are a good 20 minutes' march between them. Still, it's done now. I've had enough DIY on this project now and I'm going to exploit the lower Spanish labour charges and get the bike sorted (carb clean, new fluids everywhere, brake check, etc.) at the local Honda dealer. At least I can ride it to the shop, legally (once Línea Directa deign to call me back to take some of my money to insure the wee beastie). :)

¡Viva España, Viva el papeleo!

PS, I explained to my accountant how easy it is to buy / sell a vehicle in UK, 'what, no charges?! No notary?! Just put it in the post?!' :huh:.

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So far so good. Dont be surprised if LD want to send someone out to inspect the bike (to see if it really is what you say, note the mileage etc) and also they might check your driving licence is valid for that bike in Spain. They did for me.

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Cripes. I certainly would have been surprised if they arrived and you hadn't told me. :blink: We tend to view uninvited visitors in this part of the campo with a great deal of suspicion and not a little 'preparedness'.

(LD? Local police or?)

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Oh they will tell you they are sending someone out. The question will be whether they expect you to pay for the inspection. As an existing LD customer I took exception to a charge and they waived it but still had to send scans of licence and homologation to LD themselves after bike was looked at. Maybe they wanted to make sure it was in good order to avoid a claim within a short time for an "accident" but as it is only 3rd party insurance that doesnt make much sense really.

Oh and it is not the police who come but a local "engineer" on behalf of LD.

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Beware - the local Honda dealer might have a different opinion on what a service is - I took my UK bike to one and explained it had been sitting for 4 years and needed a good service - he dipped the oil, looked at the chain and said "no need" - to be fair, in comparison to the majority of the bikes around Cadiz it was probably in tip-top service condition!

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I took my Triumph back to UK last year for a full service and MoT but I found them quite inferior to the Triumph dealership here in Sevilla. Now on spanish plate I can stick with the guys here who do an excellent job every time. Absolutley no problem with Spanish services.