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More Spanish farmers ditching Olives....

More Spanish farmers ditching Olives....

Old Aug 27th 2022, 7:59 pm
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and going for 'Green Gold'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...resistant-crop
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Old Aug 27th 2022, 8:51 pm
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I can understand them wanting to diversify and grow more profitable crops, but surely this will cause more problems with water shortages in the future, as the planting of more and more mango and avocado trees has done in the area I live in?

"Pistachios can withstand drought – an important factor in La Mancha – but need plentiful water during the nut-forming stage. In California, severe drought and restrictions on exploiting groundwater already threaten this year’s crop."
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The dueno of the house I rent just told me how bad this summer has been for his fruit , veg and flowers. He said it is Infierno and has never in his life known it like this.
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Old Aug 27th 2022, 11:29 pm
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I think there is a Spanish saying in those areas that goes something like "4 meses de invierno y 6 meses de infierno".
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Methinks Spain needs a national water grid or industrial scale desalination plants. It is not going to get cooler.

I was reminiscing last night with the former owner of our farm. He bought it in 1950 and remembers the drovers roadside watering sites None have delivered water for years. Not surprising with the sheer number of solar powered bore holes sucking aquifers dry. Bad for nature too

some pistachios around here - irrigated.
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Yes, same in Alicante, local paper says record temps.....and all the water is in swimming pools!
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Originally Posted by olivefarmer
Methinks Spain needs a national water grid or industrial scale desalination plants. It is not going to get cooler.

I was reminiscing last night with the former owner of our farm. He bought it in 1950 and remembers the drovers roadside watering sites None have delivered water for years. Not surprising with the sheer number of solar powered bore holes sucking aquifers dry. Bad for nature too

some pistachios around here - irrigated.
near me they pump water from the river with solar powered water pumps, then sell it to you for a cheap price.
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Methinks Spain needs a national water grid or industrial scale desalination plants. It is not going to get cooler.
They already have desalination plants, they're probably going to need more. And the energy to run them...
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That is why I said industrial scale. Plenty of energy available from the sun
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Default Re: More Spanish farmers ditching Olives....

Originally Posted by olivefarmer
Methinks Spain needs a national water grid or industrial scale desalination plants. It is not going to get cooler.

I was reminiscing last night with the former owner of our farm. He bought it in 1950 and remembers the drovers roadside watering sites None have delivered water for years. Not surprising with the sheer number of solar powered bore holes sucking aquifers dry. Bad for nature too

some pistachios around here - irrigated.
You're right about the need for a national grid.
Unfortunately I think it'll take more than one year's scorching weather to change the narrow minded short term thinking in government. There are few votes from the rural population.
About the only European country that takes agriculture pretty seriously is France. Britain is a joke.
​​​​​​​But seen from a farmer's viewpoint, what do you do with say 100ha so as to earn a living. Some will inevitably chase subsidies. Others specialise, but whatever you do, water is essential.
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CiU in Catalonia, if you remember them, ended up giving the go-ahead for a desalination plant to be built just outside Barcelona because it was politically impossible to bring water from the Ebro. So it's a good thing it was built, even though it was for all the wrong reasons.
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All countries in the world need to be building either nuclear or fusion. To go green we need a lot of power. If they spent the money they spent on covid on power stations or renewable energy the world and the human race would be in a better place.
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All countries in the world need to be building either nuclear or fusion. To go green we need a lot of power. If they spent the money they spent on covid on power stations or renewable energy the world and the human race would be in a better place.
I think that's the most sensible thing I've seen you post!
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All countries in the world need to be building either nuclear or fusion. To go green we need a lot of power. If they spent the money they spent on covid on power stations or renewable energy the world and the human race would be in a better place.
Wouldn't it be easier to reward people for not having kids or at least reduce the birthrate worldwide with a 1 child policy for a couple of years etc.? What's the point of green energy when you end up with even more humans. Less space, more demand and pollution is what it really is.
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Ah but less youngsters coming through into work means less tax revenue so paying state pensions would be even harder.
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