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Chiclanagir Aug 11th 2006 10:48 pm

Monkfish
 
Can anyone tell me if it is available in Spain and what is the Spanish name?
I love Dorada and can cook it loads of different ways but have a lot of recipes for monkfish which I would like to try.

coralsoft Aug 11th 2006 10:55 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
Can anyone tell me if it is available in Spain and what is the Spanish name?
I love Dorada and can cook it loads of different ways but have a lot of recipes for monkfish which I would like to try.

It's called rape and it should be widely available at much cheaper prices than the UK.

YMF Aug 11th 2006 11:33 pm

Re: Monkfish
 
Glynis
I have seen it sold fresh here but not that often, it is expensive, also very ugly as a whole fish!
Maybe it appears expensive because it is such a meaty fish, much less waste than others.

Mercadona and I think Eroski sell it as frozen fillets. It is very good mixed with salmon and prawns in a fish pie.

Yvonne

coralsoft Aug 11th 2006 11:49 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by YMF
Glynis
I have seen it sold fresh here but not that often, it is expensive, also very ugly as a whole fish!
Maybe it appears expensive because it is such a meaty fish, much less waste than others.

Mercadona and I think Eroski sell it as frozen fillets. It is very good mixed with salmon and prawns in a fish pie.

Yvonne

It is very meaty and difficult to eat much. There have been times when I've struggled (and I'm quite happy devouring a chuleton) when restaurant portions have been generous.

BigD Aug 12th 2006 12:20 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
Can anyone tell me if it is available in Spain and what is the Spanish name?
I love Dorada and can cook it loads of different ways but have a lot of recipes for monkfish which I would like to try.

Yes it is available! it is still called Monkfish in Spanish.
You can get it at Mercadona Supermarkets but it is very expensive compared to other fish.
Regards

Chiclanagir Aug 12th 2006 1:50 am

Re: Monkfish
 
thanks everyone, will have a look for it but if it´s expensive may give it a miss. I have been disappointed with the while fish I have bought recently which seems
very watery. Love sardines but so messy to clean.

Amarilla Aug 12th 2006 2:55 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
thanks everyone, will have a look for it but if it´s expensive may give it a miss. I have been disappointed with the while fish I have bought recently which seems
very watery. Love sardines but so messy to clean.

You should try Rosada. It is usually available as frozen fillets. You may see it "fresh" but if so, it has been thawed out.

It's a firm meaty white fish similar to cod or haddock.

Chiclanagir Aug 12th 2006 4:15 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by Amarilla
You should try Rosada. It is usually available as frozen fillets. You may see it "fresh" but if so, it has been thawed out.

It's a firm meaty white fish similar to cod or haddock.

That´s what I had yesterday but not a lot of taste and it all fell to bits when cooked and all the water came out.

Amarilla Aug 12th 2006 4:21 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
That´s what I had yesterday but not a lot of taste and it all fell to bits when cooked and all the water came out.

I was probably the way it was cooked. The way most restaurants do it is in small pieces coated in flour and deep fried. From my experience it doesnt cook too well if you do it as a large fillet in a pan.

Chiclanagir Aug 12th 2006 5:05 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by Amarilla
I was probably the way it was cooked. The way most restaurants do it is in small pieces coated in flour and deep fried. From my experience it doesnt cook too well if you do it as a large fillet in a pan.

Gotcha, which was exactly how I did it! Lovely recipe for Dorada.
Just fry with olive oil and then add a panful of tomatoes and hot chilli and fresh basil. Fabulous and so simple.

Amarilla Aug 12th 2006 10:45 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
Gotcha, which was exactly how I did it! Lovely recipe for Dorada.
Just fry with olive oil and then add a panful of tomatoes and hot chilli and fresh basil. Fabulous and so simple.

So the answer is eat Rosada in a restuarant! Did you know that it is a type of Eel? It is normally caught in the South Altlantic.

I love Dorada - it is so cheap because it is all farmed locally. Unlike Sea Bass (Lubina) it doesnt seem to suffer in flavour and texture by being farmed.

Try cooking it in salt - it makes it very succulent. Some restaurants do it but it is quite easy to do yourself.

Chiclanagir Aug 12th 2006 8:17 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by Amarilla
So the answer is eat Rosada in a restuarant! Did you know that it is a type of Eel? It is normally caught in the South Altlantic.

I love Dorada - it is so cheap because it is all farmed locally. Unlike Sea Bass (Lubina) it doesnt seem to suffer in flavour and texture by being farmed.

Try cooking it in salt - it makes it very succulent. Some restaurants do it but it is quite easy to do yourself.

I didn´t know dorada was farmed, really disappointed, and I thought it was sea bass.

BigVern Aug 12th 2006 8:21 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
I didn´t know dorada was farmed, really disappointed, and I thought it was sea bass.

Dorada is Sea Bream.

poollounger Aug 12th 2006 8:44 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by BigVern
Dorada is Sea Bream.

What is Merluza??? perhaps someone could post a list of fish with their English equivalents...dictionaries are not always so helpful. And my local venta has venado transalated as veal when I believe it is really venison.. I always thought it was too dark and flavoursome.

YMF Aug 12th 2006 9:48 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by poollounger
What is Merluza??? perhaps someone could post a list of fish with their English equivalents...dictionaries are not always so helpful. And my local venta has venado transalated as veal when I believe it is really venison.. I always thought it was too dark and flavoursome.

Hi
Merluza is Hake, Tio Pepe publish a book on Spanish seafood, I dont have a copy but have been told it is very good.
This Food Guide gives translations for all foods but looks useful

I did have a fish specific one but cannot find it at present.

Hope this helps a little

Yvonne

Mitzyboy Aug 12th 2006 10:05 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by YMF
Hi
Merluza is Hake, Tio Pepe publish a book on Spanish seafood, I dont have a copy but have been told it is very good.
This Food Guide gives translations for all foods but looks useful

I did have a fish specific one but cannot find it at present.

Hope this helps a little

Yvonne

Thanks for the link YMF ... theres a restaurant we go to outside Oliva which has no Spanish speakers, no English menu and its always a voyage of discovery so that will help :)

BigD Aug 13th 2006 1:37 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
thanks everyone, will have a look for it but if it´s expensive may give it a miss. I have been disappointed with the while fish I have bought recently which seems
very watery. Love sardines but so messy to clean.

I like you, was fed up getting watery fish.
I now buy frozen white fish halibut or hake and it is a lot better more solid when cooked.
The only other thing I can highly recommend is the sworfish it is to die for,
but not quite as expensive as monkfish.
Try it ! I am sure you will like it, it is a very rich tasting fish.
Regards :beer:

Lynn R Aug 13th 2006 8:38 pm

Re: Monkfish
 
Monkfish which has been frozen is horrible, it completely ruins the texture and it becomes mushy and tasteless. I love monkfish but would not buy it unless it is fresh. If I am served it in a restaurant I can tell immediately if it has been frozen.

gfx Aug 14th 2006 11:59 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
Can anyone tell me if it is available in Spain and what is the Spanish name?
I love Dorada and can cook it loads of different ways but have a lot of recipes for monkfish which I would like to try.

Hello Glynis, Monkfish or Rape is also called Pixin (unfortunately pronounced Pisch-in) here in Asturias.

Regards

poollounger Aug 14th 2006 7:42 pm

Re: Monkfish
 
Has anyone tried deep fried Oysters... they serve them at the marina restaurant in the old port here and they are delicious !!! The texture is a bit like.....turn away all you squeamish ones.....brains.....which were a childhood treat rolled in breadcrumbs and fried gently. Do they sell them.. brains .. in Spain ??? Impossible to find in Britain.. and perhaps wise not to eat them here.

Chiclanagir Aug 14th 2006 11:30 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by poollounger
Has anyone tried deep fried Oysters... they serve them at the marina restaurant in the old port here and they are delicious !!! The texture is a bit like.....turn away all you squeamish ones.....brains.....which were a childhood treat rolled in breadcrumbs and fried gently. Do they sell them.. brains .. in Spain ??? Impossible to find in Britain.. and perhaps wise not to eat them here.

When you say the old port, do you mean Sancti Petri and if so what are they called?

poollounger Aug 15th 2006 3:04 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
When you say the old port, do you mean Sancti Petri and if so what are they called?

Yes the old port at Sancti P. The Club Nautico.. right opposite the marina, not the fishermens association. You walk through a bar and then into the restaurant, where a log fire blazes in the winter. Osterino frite....not cheap but it was a birthday treat and I am afraid they were all gobbled down with very little decorum..

Chiclanagir Aug 15th 2006 6:09 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by poollounger
Yes the old port at Sancti P. The Club Nautico.. right opposite the marina, not the fishermens association. You walk through a bar and then into the restaurant, where a log fire blazes in the winter. Osterino frite....not cheap but it was a birthday treat and I am afraid they were all gobbled down with very little decorum..

I can´t imagine that from you poollounger!!!! Will try though.

CHARLIECHELPS Sep 2nd 2006 11:56 pm

Re: Monkfish
 
hi
years ago before monkfish became fashionable it was used as scampi.
then chefs got to using it and now it is highly valued in the catering trade for its firm white flesh and robust meaty texture.
in spain as already said it is known as "rape"
and if you got to the covered market in chiclana town, or the wholesaler on the way to the old port it is relatively inexpensive 3/4 euros a kilo
when you buy it you can easily remove the one central bone or for bbqing or roasting leave the bone in just trim up the sinew and excess skin
to bbq just simple marinade with olive oil garlic and any other flavours u like for a good couple of hours before cooking then simply bbq as you would a piece of meat, fininsh with a fresh squeeze of lemon,, outstanding!!
to roast apply the same principles once cooked let rest for 5 to 10 mins then simply remove the bone and enjoy
cooking on the bones adds far more flavour
regards a chef!!

Chiclanagir Sep 3rd 2006 3:31 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by CHARLIECHELPS
hi
years ago before monkfish became fashionable it was used as scampi.
then chefs got to using it and now it is highly valued in the catering trade for its firm white flesh and robust meaty texture.
in spain as already said it is known as "rape"
and if you got to the covered market in chiclana town, or the wholesaler on the way to the old port it is relatively inexpensive 3/4 euros a kilo
when you buy it you can easily remove the one central bone or for bbqing or roasting leave the bone in just trim up the sinew and excess skin
to bbq just simple marinade with olive oil garlic and any other flavours u like for a good couple of hours before cooking then simply bbq as you would a piece of meat, fininsh with a fresh squeeze of lemon,, outstanding!!
to roast apply the same principles once cooked let rest for 5 to 10 mins then simply remove the bone and enjoy
cooking on the bones adds far more flavour
regards a chef!!

Can you buy relatively small amounts from this wholesaler and where exactly is it?

Arco-Iris Sep 3rd 2006 3:39 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by poollounger
What is Merluza??? perhaps someone could post a list of fish with their English equivalents...dictionaries are not always so helpful. And my local venta has venado transalated as veal when I believe it is really venison.. I always thought it was too dark and flavoursome.

Here's a list taken from Janet Mendel's book, Cooking in Spain ISBN 84-921229-1-9, pub. Santana:

Sardine - sardina
Mackerel - caballa
Bonita - used for several members of the tuna family
Tuna - atun
Red bream - besugo
Lemon sole - limanda
Brill - rombo, remol
Plaice - solla
Flounder - platija
Sole - lenguado
Monkfish - rape
John Dory - [pez de San Pedro, gallo
Red mullet - salmonete
Grey mullet - lisa
Sea bass - lubina
Grouper - mero
Hake - merluza, pijota
Cod - bacalao
Haddock - eglefino
Whiting - merlan
Pollock - abadejo
Swordfish - pez espadas
Rosada, never found fresh, from coast of S. America and frozen at sea.
Skate - raya
Eel - anguiila, congrio is conger eel and morena, the moray.

Hope this is enough. Great place to go to see many of these is Cadiz fish market.

The book I quoted is full of gold nuggets - meats, veg. herbs, spices with Spanish names, plus loads of recipes.

Arco-Iris Sep 3rd 2006 3:42 am

Re: Monkfish
 
PS.....venado is venison

CHARLIECHELPS Sep 3rd 2006 5:04 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
Can you buy relatively small amounts from this wholesaler and where exactly is it?

the wholesaler is first left on the roundabout after popeyes rest, begins with e huge sign on right hand side
or small amounts defo at market daily in chiclana

Fred James Sep 3rd 2006 5:07 am

Re: Monkfish
 
Her book is brilliant but she has missed one fish that is becoming much more common.

It is Rodaballo which is Turbot.

However the Turbot you now see is all farmed in Galicia and is much smaller than the "wild" ones. Typically small enough for one person, it is relatively cheap at around 12 euros a kilo.

More and more restuarant now serve it and it is a really nice fish.

Chiclanagir Sep 3rd 2006 6:15 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by Fred James
Her book is brilliant but she has missed one fish that is becoming much more common.

It is Rodaballo which is Turbot.

However the Turbot you now see is all farmed in Galicia and is much smaller than the "wild" ones. Typically small enough for one person, it is relatively cheap at around 12 euros a kilo.

More and more restuarant now serve it and it is a really nice fish.

I had a white fish today which began with a p. It was really rubbery, not particularly nice.

Unexpat Sep 18th 2006 8:35 pm

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
I had a white fish today which began with a p. It was really rubbery, not particularly nice.

pampano/palometa - pompano
pargo - snapper
pescado blanco - white fish
pez espada - swordfish
pez de san pedro - john dory
platija - plaice/flounder

If you count the ones beginning with "pez" and "pescado" as "P", that's the list I currently have :) although I suspect the rubbery factor was more to do with whether it was frozen and/or how it was cooked ;)

CHARLIECHELPS Sep 22nd 2006 5:13 am

Re: Monkfish
 

Originally Posted by glynis
Can you buy relatively small amounts from this wholesaler and where exactly is it?

hi drive past popeyes on way to barossa before you hit first roundabout on the right big blue gates caleed estoris can buy as much or little as u want very helpful drive right in till you see shop sign on the warehouse double stairway
cheers


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