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snikpoh Jan 26th 2016 8:15 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by johnnyone (Post 11849668)
Form 210 Notional rental income

I know this is probably the wrong place but I did not wish to start a new thread.
The tax I pay on my house in Oliva, that I do not rent out, has tripled in a year from c.euro50 to c.euro150e.
Has anyone else experienced such a large % increase and if so why?

Thanks

Has the cadastral value been updated? That's about the only way it can have changed - oh, and they might have changed the percentages you have to pay but that would be national news and I haven't heard anything.

bobd22 Jan 26th 2016 9:08 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by johnnyone (Post 11849668)
Form 210 Notional rental income

I know this is probably the wrong place but I did not wish to start a new thread.
The tax I pay on my house in Oliva, that I do not rent out, has tripled in a year from c.euro50 to c.euro150e.
Has anyone else experienced such a large % increase and if so why?

Thanks

I would get that checked out. Did you complete it yourself online? It is easy enough to do yourself. If someone else has done it for you it may be their charges that have increased.

snikpoh Jan 26th 2016 10:25 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 11849737)
I would get that checked out. Did you complete it yourself online? It is easy enough to do yourself. If someone else has done it for you it may be their charges that have increased.

Good point, is it that the TAX has increased or the amount you pay in total for someone else to do it for you?

johnnyone Jan 27th 2016 3:04 am

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 11849776)
Good point, is it that the TAX has increased or the amount you pay in total for someone else to do it for you?

It's the tax.

johnnyone Jan 27th 2016 3:06 am

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 11849737)
I would get that checked out. Did you complete it yourself online? It is easy enough to do yourself. If someone else has done it for you it may be their charges that have increased.

I do not do my own tax return in the UK let alone Spain. Life's to short!

bobd22 Jan 27th 2016 3:24 am

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 
I believe it did go up slightly in 2012 but mine increased about 6 Euro I believe next year it is due to go down slightly due to % used to calculate. Over 8 years 6 Euro is only change I have had.

I accept that tax can be difficult but believe me the online modelo 210 from this official site is both easy and straightforward. https://www2.agenciatributaria.gob.es/es13/h/ie32100b.html?idi=en
I use it because the first year of ownership our solicitor contacted us to submit the 210. I had already calculated it so knew what the tax would be, solicitor quoted a figure of 310 Eeuros the tax I calculated to be just under 60 Euros! As a precaution the following year I used this company who were excellent and calculated exactly the same amount as myself.
http://spanishtaxforms.co.uk

However as I say I now do it myself online it takes me around 20 mins and I just pay it when over.

johnnyone Jan 27th 2016 8:09 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 11850131)
However as I say I now do it myself online it takes me around 20 mins and I just pay it when over.

You're probably right I should do it myself (perhaps next year). I'm just lazy and leave to my Lawyer. I know I could get it done cheaper but see it as a retainer and did receive some free advice from him on another matter.

Having looked at the form the Renta inmobiliaria (210 I) increased from e99.03 to e294.36. Both years were charged at 24.75% with both of us having to pay that amount each.
Do you know how the Renta sum is calculated? I am intrigued that something like this can triple in a year.

bobd22 Jan 27th 2016 10:14 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 
This explains the method of calculating tax due

The calculations use the rateable value (or valor catastral) as the base figure for the calculation. The percentage then to be applied is of 24% (24.75% in 2013) of a 2% of the rateable value (or 1.1% if this value was updated after 1994). In cases where the rateable value is not known, you can use half the purchase price as the base value for the calculations. In this case, the coefficient applied will be 1.1%

if confusing this is how I do it:

valor catastral is 22,000 euro so 1.1% of that = 242 and 24% of 242 = 58.08 euros to pay in tax (divided by number of owners if applicable).
not my exact figures but off the top of my head

bobd22 Jan 27th 2016 10:25 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 
I wonder if rather than using the valor catastral which depending on your property can be very low especially village houses which ours is. Your solicitor has started using the calculation of purchase price which of course may be much higher than valor catastral. Only other thing that could have changed would be the valor catastral has been updated? but it does seem quite a significant rise.

EsuriJohn Jan 27th 2016 10:32 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 
The valor Catastral is on your IBI BILL so is easy to find.

snikpoh Jan 27th 2016 11:07 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by bobd22 (Post 11851186)
I wonder if rather than using the valor catastral which depending on your property can be very low especially village houses which ours is. Your solicitor has started using the calculation of purchase price which of course may be much higher than valor catastral. Only other thing that could have changed would be the valor catastral has been updated? but it does seem quite a significant rise.

see post #16 - we seem to be rehashing old ideas.

If he has started calculating it differently, then a simple call will find out.

bobd22 Jan 27th 2016 11:38 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 11851235)
see post #16 - we seem to be rehashing old ideas.

If he has started calculating it differently, then a simple call will find out.

Yes agreed but it certainly seems to be a substantial increase

Palmerston Jan 27th 2016 11:41 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 
As bobd22 alluded to, isn't the notional rent calculation based on THE GREATER OF:

the price declared on the Escritura, or

the Valor Catastral, or

the value deemed by the tax office if the Escritura price is not accepted?

That could be why there has been an increase

EsuriJohn Jan 27th 2016 11:52 pm

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 

Originally Posted by Palmerston (Post 11851265)
As bobd22 alluded to, isn't the notional rent calculation based on THE GREATER OF:

the price declared on the Escritura, or

the Valor Catastral, or

the value deemed by the tax office if the Escritura price is not accepted?

NO the only debate is when the last Catastral update occurred.

Palmerston Jan 28th 2016 1:52 am

Re: Modelo 720: Nil return?
 
Thanks for clarifying the situation, EsuriJohn. Think I need another solicitor


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