TheLostPhotographer

Anyone know a good site for reference?

I keep finding various information from €16.36/Day to €6,000/Year, but I can't find an hourly rate.


I know this is Spain and employment law in general is purely unpracticed theory, but I'm curious to get a factual figure. There are people working here ('legally') doing 7 hours for €20! Partly, I blame them for doing the job. On the other hand, it should be illegal to take advantage of people like that IMO. I know the job market across Spain is a bit dire - was never really that good and is now even worse, but FFS! 7 hours for €20!!!

Apparently, it's pretty common within the budget end of the tourism industry.

lcortez

Not sure what the hourly rate,not sure if there is one.

The rates as of 01/01/2008,are
Daily = Eur20.
Monthly= Eur600.
Annual = Eur7800.

Allowing for the fact that it is common practice in Spain to be paid 13 times a year!
Have to be honest I have hard time accepting these fig's as fact,but they are!
Cant understand how any one can get by on these fig's

me me

There is no minimum wage, as in 5.40 an hour as in the UK. Nearly everyone who works legally is on minimum wage.
The difference is, it is a minimum wage for THE JOB. The minimum wage for a cleaner may be 5 euro an hour, and the minimum wage for an accountant could be about 18 euro an hour.
It all depends on your duties and qualifications. Only a gestor would know the right amount as they have access to the government data base. They would look for the job description and then find the wage. If everyone in the same company is earning the same wage, then I dont know what kind of contract that would be but I would have my doubts, because a cook does not earn the same wage as a waitress.
A waitress in a restaurant is on a higher payscalepascale in a cafe, even though they are both on minimum wage.

lcortez

This is absoluote rubbish!
Zapatero made it one of his campaign pledges to raise the minimum wage to Eur600 by start of 2008 tax year,with a further pledge to raise it to Eur800 by start of 2009 tax year

bil8999

Hi
Just been quoted 18eur per hour labour only for some building works, that would work out at 34,000eur based on 37 hour week. Am i having my leg lifted or is that the going rate.

me me

Icortez, this is not rubbish, this is my experience, what is more each region has its own level, as in pensions, because the pension is not the same in all regions of Spain as it is in the UK.
I worked for an international company based in Galicia, in the office. Everyone who worked there was on minimum wage, all the machine operators doing the same job are on minimum wage plus "antiguidad. All the ironers are on the same minimum wage plus antiguidad (not as much as the machinists).

All packers are on minimum wage (not as much as the ironers) All cleaners are on minimum wage (not as much as the packers)
It could be that the government are trying to introduce a minimum wage that covers all the non classified jobs, I really dont have a clue about that.

My cousin is a VET, working for the Ministry of agriculture, and he is on minimum wage, minimum wage for his profession. Every profession has a convenio.
Hosteleria for example, has one and their minimum wage is at a higher rate than a shopworker. There is no set minimum wage across the board like the UK.

Fred James

Spain has a minimum wage SMI - Salario Mínimo Interprofesional

The current legislation is here:-

http://www.mtas.es/infpuntual/smi/RD176307.htm

It is 20€ day or 600€ a month as Icortez pointed out.

Fred James

That depends on who is quoting you.

If it is a quote from a proper building company then that's about right. By the time they have paid all their taxes and social security and holiday pay for their employees and allowed for some profit 18€ is about right.

If it's a quote from a guy doing basic building work, working on his own for cash then 12€ or less would be more realistic. If it's a plumber or electrician I would expect to pay a bit more.

lcortez

Very def rubbish,the information is freely available,surprised your not aware of it!!!

scottydan

salario m[I]nimo interprofesional 540.90 per month (3.38 per hour) the amount is to be raised to 600.00 per month by end of 2008.

I will probably be starting this kind of crap wage to begin probably.

me me

My working experience of Spain is the following.

I have always been paid, “segun el convenio” of each profession. If your employer pays less then the “convenio” minimum you can sue them. I have known losts of people who have sued and won their case, because they were not being paid the right amount for the job. The employers were also fined. So according to my reasoning there are different rates of minimum pay for different jobs.

The following link shows what happened in Valladolid 2007. For those who don’t understand Spanish it shows the different pay rates for the leisure and ladies hairdressing industry. I have copied a small section, but the whole document can be seen on the link

http://www.diputaciondevalladolid.es...fecha=20070519

Grupo I. Camarero o camarera de cabina, taquillera, ayudante o ayudanta de peluquería fogonero-ayudante, auxiliar, recepcionista, telefonista, ordenanza, limpiadora, limpiabotas, botones, peón, aprendiz, menores de dieciocho años.
Grupo II. Oficial de primera, oficial de segunda, oficial de tercera, esteticista, bañero socorrista, maquinista, monitor de gimnasia, cajero, vendedores, Manicura, pedicura, depiladora.
Grupo III. Oficial mayor, oficial especial, profesora de belleza y esteticista, esteticista o especialista en tratamientos de belleza, masajista estético, encargado de baños, encargada de salón, profesor de natación, encargado de gimnasio, profesor de gimnasia, jefe de administración, jefe de ventas.
Bolsa Vacaciones 57,61 euros
Festivos y Domingos Grupo I 23,47 euros
Grupo II 25,68 euros
Grupo III 29,35 euros
Horas Extras Grupo 9,59 euros
Grupo 10,52 euros
Grupo III 11,29 euros
Grupo 0 11,83 euros
Seguro Accidentes 12.103,16 euros



As you can see the jobs are divided into groups with the corresponding amounts.

You can also see the payscale for each group working on Saturdays and Sundays. From what I can see here a lifeguard would earn 25.68 for working a Sunday, but a swimming instructor would earn 29.35 for a Sunday., a difference of 3.67. You can also see the overtime rates for each hour worked. As I am not an expert, I wonder if anyone could tell me why there are different amounts for the different jobs if there is only one minimum wage for all? I never said that the wages were great in Spain, but it does depend on your job and skills.

busters mum

A lot of people would be glad of this "crap" wage as you call it !!

hughandi

This is true, I have had 35 employees and each was paid by the scale set by the unions and it was, and still is illegal to pay less than this amount. Amounts may vary very slightly but the more skilled the job, more the minimum wage is. I was nearly crippled haveing to pay backpay to 3 employees because of a mess up by my accountant. The employees in question were underpayed for nearly 3 years. So I had to pay a fair amount to them. Ouch......

scottydan

oh dear... I meant no offense. I will be happy with this too. Just know it's going to be ard. but wether i move to Spain with a job paying 1000s a month on a few hundred i'm in for at least a few years hard work and even then I will have my times.

Fred James

This does not alter the fact that the SMI applies across the board and does not vary by job.

What you are describing are special arrangements made with the unions for a better deal.

Not every worker is in the position to take advantage of these deals and would have to rely on the SMI.

In reality the SMI is so low that no one could really live on it. The government wants to keep increasing it rather than keep coming near the bottom of the list where you compare state minimum wages across the EU.