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Old May 27th 2021, 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by bobd22 View Post
I have seen this elsewhere a number of times. It would seem that it started with a comment made by an unknown Spanish official. I understand that it has been in existence for many years, not all Schengen countries choose to implement this but seemingly Spain and France have chosen to implement it. For me bearing in mind that Spain has signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights surely this action conflicts with Article 8 Right to family life and privacy? Having family to visit and stay in my private house is surely my business? I just don't get this and how it can be allowed. You don't need a visa to visit but you need this which has to be formally applied for at a police station you have to prove you own your property you are also responsible for your visitors financially and should they not leave by the 90 day point etc. Strikes me as undue interference by the government. Of course Spain may have implemented this in theory do they actually use it on entry ? That's the unknown as surely the non EU queues would be endless. Most I get from Spanish officials at border control is a nod to say you can come to the desk and a nod to say now go through. I suppose time will tell as always .

Thats great you (I assume), like most people, are law abiding citizens however illegal human traffickers like to abuse holiday visas listing they’re visiting family and now this is imposed it makes things a little harder to do so this way.

I am always however suspect of people who push back on simply non invasive things like this, I could t care less if the border control knew who was staying with me, have nothing to hide and those I invite won’t be jumping the border.

I think if you can’t get your head around it, just smile and sit pretty, ignorance is clearly bliss 👍🏼
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Old May 27th 2021, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by breakfasttea View Post
Thats great you (I assume), like most people, are law abiding citizens however illegal human traffickers like to abuse holiday visas listing they’re visiting family and now this is imposed it makes things a little harder to do so this way.
I am indeed as you say law abiding . It's not about "pushing back" as you say neither is it a simple unobtrusive procedure. Having looked up the procedure in some detail because I am law abiding and like to keep right side of the law. It can be completed quickly but can take months to obtain the property owner may have to prove their rights to property by submission of escrutiria or rental agreement and that they can permit visitors etc. In some cases there can be formal interviews. I appreciate these will be extreme circumstances. A previous comment by someone who tried this shows they gave up in the end and booked an hotel. When I first read about this I thought I have no problem sending a letter of Invitacion to visitors so they can show it if required. The other thing Is it's a may be required not will be required. Actually having taken the time to look at Spanish government entry requirements and translate all be it with Google . It's quite lengthy but it reads yes that the points discussed may be required. However it then says not to those with valid passports and return tickets . So it would seem (not certain ) that the key is to have a passport and return ticket for under the 90 days.

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Old May 27th 2021, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by bobd22 View Post
I don't disagree with anything that you say above. I don't have any issue with people having to say where they are going to be staying what I disagree with is the bureaucratic method that may be used. [...] For me that isn't right and doesn't make sense. Our opinions obviously differ.​​​​​​​​​
I don't like it either, but I don't think Brits can really complain, or at least they can't complain to Spain. We had certainty but we collectively voted it away, the government used that vote to take the country out of the single market to stop freedom of movement, and this is one of the results. If the government were to align the UK with the single market and reinstate freedom of movement, this problem would be fixed. But that won't happen for a few years yet.
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Old May 27th 2021, 5:31 pm
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I don't like it either, but I don't think Brits can really complain, or at least they can't complain to Spain. We had certainty but we collectively voted it away, the government used that vote to take the country out of the single market to stop freedom of movement, and this is one of the results. If the government were to align the UK with the single market and reinstate freedom of movement, this problem would be fixed. But that won't happen for a few years yet.
To me i don't think any legislation should be worded may. It should be definitive and specific. That's irrespective of what nationality one is. My comments have nothing to do with being British I accept that British visitors to Spain have lost freedom of movement as a result of Brexit. We are where we are after Brexit I have no issue with that.
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Originally Posted by bobd22 View Post
To me i don't think any legislation should be worded may. It should be definitive and specific. That's irrespective of what nationality one is. My comments have nothing to do with being British I accept that British visitors to Spain have lost freedom of movement as a result of Brexit. We are where we are after Brexit I have no issue with that.
Brexit isn’t over yet. Hungary are in talks with the UK and have also been talking to the Italy , Poland and Spain about bilateral deals. The situation with Switzerland is interesting also.
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Old May 28th 2021, 12:07 pm
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Brexit isn’t over yet. Hungary are in talks with the UK and have also been talking to the Italy , Poland and Spain about bilateral deals. The situation with Switzerland is interesting also.
There are many things brought about by Brexit that will need clarity at some point down the line. When I referred to being brought about by Brexit I meant the Brexit vote in 2016 and the aftermath up to the end on transition. What happens in the future who knows. Point is at this time we have left the EU and freedom of movement between UK and EU has ended. I and I'm sure the majority on the forum don't wish to re run the rights and wrongs of what happened.
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Useful update here

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Old May 28th 2021, 10:28 pm
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I think people may sell their holiday homes if this is strictly implemented, For example, I obviously have not been able to check on my holiday home. my sister and I have booked flights and changed them a few times. We are now booked for July. How would i be able to receive the Carta from the local police station when i am over here? Also it will have to be planned well in advance in future, instead of ad hoc like I do now. And it is £74 plus £6.
Too much of a palaver. Sitting pretty and just smiling won't cut it for me.
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Old May 29th 2021, 7:24 am
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You don't need a letter of invitation to visit your own house (either bought or rented).

You might need the deeds or contract if they ask you to prove where you're staying.
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Old May 29th 2021, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by cermignano View Post
I think people may sell their holiday homes if this is strictly implemented, For example, I obviously have not been able to check on my holiday home. my sister and I have booked flights and changed them a few times. We are now booked for July. How would i be able to receive the Carta from the local police station when i am over here? Also it will have to be planned well in advance in future, instead of ad hoc like I do now. And it is £74 plus £6.
Too much of a palaver. Sitting pretty and just smiling won't cut it for me.
If you are the owner of house - no problem - as said before, you do not need one, but if your sister is visiting, then she needs one if from a 3rd world country.
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If you are the owner of house - no problem - as said before, you do not need one, but if your sister is visiting, then she needs one if from a 3rd world country.
Australian visitors need to follow this rule apparently - I thought it was cos they are non-EU, but on reflection, you're right, this IS a 3rd world country
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If you are the owner of house - no problem - as said before, you do not need one, but if your sister is visiting, then she needs one if from a 3rd world country.
Love the Freudian slip!
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That's what I was saying growinspain. How do I get my sister's invite when I am not there? Or my son's when we go later in the year, too much palaver
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Old May 30th 2021, 7:48 pm
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It doesn't seem a process that non-resident can easily do. Maybe you could do it at the consulate in the UK or maybe they are able to advise.

Perhaps giving them a copy of the deeds and proving the family connection (e.g. copy of your passport) would be enough. Possibly notorised copies.
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