breakfasttea

Thats great you (I assume), like most people, are law abiding citizens however illegal human traffickers like to abuse holiday visas listing they’re visiting family and now this is imposed it makes things a little harder to do so this way.

I am always however suspect of people who push back on simply non invasive things like this, I could t care less if the border control knew who was staying with me, have nothing to hide and those I invite won’t be jumping the border.

I think if you can’t get your head around it, just smile and sit pretty, ignorance is clearly bliss 👍🏼

bobd22

I am indeed as you say law abiding . It's not about "pushing back" as you say neither is it a simple unobtrusive procedure. Having looked up the procedure in some detail because I am law abiding and like to keep right side of the law. It can be completed quickly but can take months to obtain the property owner may have to prove their rights to property by submission of escrutiria or rental agreement and that they can permit visitors etc. In some cases there can be formal interviews. I appreciate these will be extreme circumstances. A previous comment by someone who tried this shows they gave up in the end and booked an hotel. When I first read about this I thought I have no problem sending a letter of Invitacion to visitors so they can show it if required. The other thing Is it's a may be required not will be required. Actually having taken the time to look at Spanish government entry requirements and translate all be it with Google . It's quite lengthy but it reads yes that the points discussed may be required. However it then says not to those with valid passports and return tickets . So it would seem (not certain ) that the key is to have a passport and return ticket for under the 90 days.

DLC

I don't like it either, but I don't think Brits can really complain, or at least they can't complain to Spain. We had certainty but we collectively voted it away, the government used that vote to take the country out of the single market to stop freedom of movement, and this is one of the results. If the government were to align the UK with the single market and reinstate freedom of movement, this problem would be fixed. But that won't happen for a few years yet.

bobd22

To me i don't think any legislation should be worded may. It should be definitive and specific. That's irrespective of what nationality one is. My comments have nothing to do with being British I accept that British visitors to Spain have lost freedom of movement as a result of Brexit. We are where we are after Brexit I have no issue with that.

Stingychips

Brexit isn’t over yet. Hungary are in talks with the UK and have also been talking to the Italy , Poland and Spain about bilateral deals. The situation with Switzerland is interesting also.

bobd22

There are many things brought about by Brexit that will need clarity at some point down the line. When I referred to being brought about by Brexit I meant the Brexit vote in 2016 and the aftermath up to the end on transition. What happens in the future who knows. Point is at this time we have left the EU and freedom of movement between UK and EU has ended. I and I'm sure the majority on the forum don't wish to re run the rights and wrongs of what happened.

spainrico

Useful update here

https://english.elpais.com/trans_ibe...-in-spain.html

cermignano

I think people may sell their holiday homes if this is strictly implemented, For example, I obviously have not been able to check on my holiday home. my sister and I have booked flights and changed them a few times. We are now booked for July. How would i be able to receive the Carta from the local police station when i am over here? Also it will have to be planned well in advance in future, instead of ad hoc like I do now. And it is £74 plus £6.
Too much of a palaver. Sitting pretty and just smiling won't cut it for me.

DLC

You don't need a letter of invitation to visit your own house (either bought or rented).

You might need the deeds or contract if they ask you to prove where you're staying.

growinspain

If you are the owner of house - no problem - as said before, you do not need one, but if your sister is visiting, then she needs one if from a 3rd world country.

Pollyana

Australian visitors need to follow this rule apparently - I thought it was cos they are non-EU, but on reflection, you're right, this IS a 3rd world country

Lou71

Love the Freudian slip!

cermignano

That's what I was saying growinspain. How do I get my sister's invite when I am not there? Or my son's when we go later in the year, too much palaver

DLC

It doesn't seem a process that non-resident can easily do. Maybe you could do it at the consulate in the UK or maybe they are able to advise.

Perhaps giving them a copy of the deeds and proving the family connection (e.g. copy of your passport) would be enough. Possibly notorised copies.