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Old Sep 29th 2014, 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy View Post
I wasn't aware the OP was asking specifically about building a house on agricultural land.....
"and property frauds" building property on agricultural land to sell to unsuspecting ex pats is a well established fraudulent activity.

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Old Sep 30th 2014, 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by johnnyone View Post
The farmer always knew he was breaking the law. A lot of Brits had permissions from the local council that were subsequently over-ruled.
A big difference.
Not a huge difference really, most developers were well aware they were building on agricultural land.And permission from local councils in Spain isn't worth the paper it's printed on,as quite often the brother of the Alcalde will be the one supplying the bricks.Buying without due diligence is about the same as buying knowing it's probably illegal.Or as daft as!
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Old Sep 30th 2014, 2:38 pm
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I know a promenade is being built along the beach from La Cala heading east. Quite how far it will go I´m not sure as I hear anywhere from 5 to 15 miles.
There are many houses and hotels along the way with gardens edging the beach.
A particular hotel nearby has spent several thousand euro on laying down a large decking area.
Anyway, as the promenade progresses people are learning that the councils can reclaim the necessary land in order to build it.
Hence the "decking" hotel is quite upset at the moment as the council have just removed much of the decking to make way. Other places have lost up to 15 metres of their grounds/gardens and there is sweet fa that can be done about it!
Does that constitute a land grab?
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Old Sep 30th 2014, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by missile View Post
Would you buy a house in UK without planning permission and a habitation certificate or in an area zoned for building a new road? Some seem to leave their brain at home when they come to Spain.
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Old Sep 30th 2014, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by IamStu View Post
I know a promenade is being built along the beach from La Cala heading east. Quite how far it will go I´m not sure as I hear anywhere from 5 to 15 miles.
There are many houses and hotels along the way with gardens edging the beach.
A particular hotel nearby has spent several thousand euro on laying down a large decking area.
Anyway, as the promenade progresses people are learning that the councils can reclaim the necessary land in order to build it.
Hence the "decking" hotel is quite upset at the moment as the council have just removed much of the decking to make way. Other places have lost up to 15 metres of their grounds/gardens and there is sweet fa that can be done about it!
Does that constitute a land grab?
I think the term land grabbing is misunderstood. It was the hotels choice to put decking there, although they knew it wasn't their land. If I own a café and invest in chairs for outside, I have to live with the fact that the council can ask me to remove those chairs again.
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Old Sep 30th 2014, 3:21 pm
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I think the term land grabbing is misunderstood. It was the hotels choice to put decking there, although they knew it wasn't their land. If I own a café and invest in chairs for outside, I have to live with the fact that the council can ask me to remove those chairs again.
Perhaps but there are cases where the grounds of the property are within the deeds of the property? Until someone changes there mind? Hardly the same having them remove your chairs to removing 15metres of your garden.
If that´s fair in your mind, so be it.
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Old Sep 30th 2014, 3:33 pm
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Perhaps but there are cases where the grounds of the property are within the deeds of the property? Until someone changes there mind? Hardly the same having them remove your chairs to removing 15metres of your garden.
If that´s fair in your mind, so be it.
I'm not saying it's fair but coastal land is public land, so if builders went ahead without permission there's not much you can do.
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Old Oct 14th 2014, 9:54 pm
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Well I was thinking more of the law that allows developers to basically steal land if the local authorities decide to re zone it from agricultural to building land.

From what I have read although there was a minor change to the law (LRAU) the practice is still open to unscrupulous developers
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 8:32 am
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The 'Land Grab' law is still in place in the Valencian Community at least. The thing is, with the current 'crisis' upon us, no one is particularly keen to plan a major urbanisation with their and the neighbour's land. The 'land grab' idea was to rezone land, not always yours, and then oblige the owners to pay for the costs of improvement (or lose it), plus to cede a proportion to public ownership. A kind of commercially-inspired expropriation.
Down in Andalucía, the problem is more to do with 'illegal' houses (in an apparent effort to keep the locals both broke and out of work). These homes - 650 were declared 'illegal' just this week in Cuevas del Almanzora, Almería - tend to date back to simpler times, like 2003, when the Town Halls thought that they still held the power/right to plan their own destinies.
The Priors, like something out of the London Blitz, have remained on their land since their home was bulldozed flat (for no very good reason) in January 2008 (almost seven years ago) living in the garage that survived, and with a generator and hoses for creature comfort.
How much money has Spain lost by this bullsh*t?
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