Justified management or Orwellian.
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Justified management or Orwellian.
There are a few things I admire about the BBC...The quality of its drama productions. The audacity of some of the natural epics.
I despise the wielding of the power of influence it has accrued by surreptitiously and often blatantly injecting their political, often left wing, liberal outlook in many of the productions...But...
Is it correct in doing the following...Is it necessary or is it some sort of appeasement???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...-any-more.html
I despise the wielding of the power of influence it has accrued by surreptitiously and often blatantly injecting their political, often left wing, liberal outlook in many of the productions...But...
Is it correct in doing the following...Is it necessary or is it some sort of appeasement???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...-any-more.html
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Re: Justified management or Orwellian.
Racists should be laughed at and mocked at every opportunity.
Maybe the person who made the decision didn't get the joke.
Maybe the person who made the decision didn't get the joke.
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Re: Justified management or Orwellian.
I think it was channel 4 that censored "The Dambusters" film a bit ago.
They objected to the code word sent back to confirm the breaching of the Mohne Dam.
That is censoring history.
They objected to the code word sent back to confirm the breaching of the Mohne Dam.
That is censoring history.
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Re: Justified management or Orwellian.
Don't think we'll have a rerun of Alf Garnett's Till Death Us Do Part anytime soon. Or Rigsby in Rising Damp.
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but it looks like ole Alf has been put to bed.
Quite a few of his Till Death series were wiped clean within a few years of being made because it was said to be standard practice at the time can you believe.
Other episodes appear to be scattered around between various individuals and companies.
Also some individuals are attempting reconstuction of some damaged tapes.
However I doubt very much if any will be up for public viewing anytime soon.
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Re: Justified management or Orwellian.
Comedy is representative of its time, and people watching these programmes decades later are perfectly aware of that. It's crazy to start censoring it. We can laugh at the racist major in Fawlty Towers because he's a ridiculous character. He's not going to get any sympathy for his views (at least I hope not!)
It's like Cecil Sharp etc at the beginning of the 20th century who used to collect English folk songs and then rewrite them without the rude bits.
It's like Cecil Sharp etc at the beginning of the 20th century who used to collect English folk songs and then rewrite them without the rude bits.
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Re: Justified management or Orwellian.
can you imagine the furore if The National Library started pulling books off the shelf and sending them off to be "edited" in line with current "thinking" ? ?
a google for BBC brought up
although not specifically, it would appear the BBC is in violation of the Charter.
they surely will have been proud of the work they have done in all sections of entertainment and would be storing at their Library in Brookmans Park all that they have done - but we know they haven't
the fluffy bunnies have finally taken over the country
a google for BBC brought up
www.bbc.com/Breaking news, sport, TV, radio and a whole lot more. The BBC informs, educates and entertains - wherever you are, whatever your age.
they surely will have been proud of the work they have done in all sections of entertainment and would be storing at their Library in Brookmans Park all that they have done - but we know they haven't
the fluffy bunnies have finally taken over the country
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Re: Justified management or Orwellian.
Wasn't the codeword the name of Guy Gibson's dog ?
Did they edit that too ?
Did they edit that too ?
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It's quite interesting actually. Apparently it has been edited out of a televised version on a couple of occasions, then left in (with a prior warning) and this month was shown uncut and without prior warning on Five.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
Seems the Americans, edited/dubbed the film and changed the dogs name from Nigger to Trigger.
Apparently they also claimed it was born in the US of A.
"Censorship,
Nigger was portrayed in the 1955 British war film The Dam Busters, in which he was mentioned by name frequently. The word nigger, which was in general use as a dog's name at the time, has since become culturally unacceptable. In 1999, British television network ITV broadcast a censored version of the film, with all instances of the name removed. ITV blamed regional broadcaster London Weekend Television, which in turn alleged that a junior staff member had been responsible for the unauthorised cuts. When ITV again showed a censored version in June 2001, it was criticised by Index on Censorship as "unnecessary and ridiculous" and because the edits introduced continuity errors.[2][3][4] The code word "nigger" transmitted in Morse Code upon the successful completion of the central mission was not censored. More recently, in 2012, ITV3 have shown the film uncut a few times, but with a warning at the start that it contains racial terms from the period which some people may find offensive. However, in January 2013 the film was shown by Channel 5 uncut and without any warning.
Some edited American versions of the film use dubbing to change Nigger's name to Trigger.[2][3] However, recent[when?] American showings on the Turner Classic Movies (TCM) channel do not censor or change the name. Scenes in which Nigger is referred to by name appear in Pink Floyd The Wall.[5]"
He flew with Gibson on some training missions, was run over by a car just before the raid and is buried on the airfield.
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Seems the Americans, edited/dubbed the film and changed the dogs name from Nigger to Trigger.
Apparently they also claimed it was born in the US of A.
"Censorship,
Nigger was portrayed in the 1955 British war film The Dam Busters, in which he was mentioned by name frequently. The word nigger, which was in general use as a dog's name at the time, has since become culturally unacceptable. In 1999, British television network ITV broadcast a censored version of the film, with all instances of the name removed. ITV blamed regional broadcaster London Weekend Television, which in turn alleged that a junior staff member had been responsible for the unauthorised cuts. When ITV again showed a censored version in June 2001, it was criticised by Index on Censorship as "unnecessary and ridiculous" and because the edits introduced continuity errors.[2][3][4] The code word "nigger" transmitted in Morse Code upon the successful completion of the central mission was not censored. More recently, in 2012, ITV3 have shown the film uncut a few times, but with a warning at the start that it contains racial terms from the period which some people may find offensive. However, in January 2013 the film was shown by Channel 5 uncut and without any warning.
Some edited American versions of the film use dubbing to change Nigger's name to Trigger.[2][3] However, recent[when?] American showings on the Turner Classic Movies (TCM) channel do not censor or change the name. Scenes in which Nigger is referred to by name appear in Pink Floyd The Wall.[5]"
He flew with Gibson on some training missions, was run over by a car just before the raid and is buried on the airfield.
"
Last edited by Dick Dasterdly; Jan 30th 2013 at 3:04 pm.