leighbloke

Alternatively of course you could leave.

and I'm still waiting for an answer.

leighbloke

Sweet talker

I'm off.

bil

Less that and more blind spite to stop the miners at any cost, IMO

lmj50

There is a huge supply of coal that we should really exploit. With today's technology it can also be done much more safely than in the 70's and 80's.

LB no is the answer, now sod off

rugbymatt

The only problem is that after 20 years of getting fat and lazy on benefit handouts, dole bludging and getting pissed on cheap alcohol finding someone in Wales who could actually work is almost impossible.

Dick Dasterdly

You obviously don't even have a clue.

Having seen both at very close first hand, I can tell you that opencast mining is a breeze,..a walk in the park, compared with what miners had to endure underground.
Its not a pleasant sight to see any number of them gasping for breath at an early age and dying a slow painful death.
I could also tell you about the never ending stream of tel.calls to my local Post Office to telegram and advise families of serious injuries and deaths.
.....and you talk about human rights and safety??????????????

I have had numerous opencast sites on my land over the years.
I have been down below and seen what it's like.
Wouldnt wish it,.. or the results of it on my worst enemy.
Fortunately there are still some around today who got out soon enough and are very grateful for it.

jimenato

Coal is a resource. It should be left where it is until it becomes a valuable resource.

Madridboy

Agreed......wait until everyone else has run out or is running out of the stuff then sell it for a shed load of money.

jimenato

Aye - or just keep it for ourselves and burn it later so we keep warm and the rest of the world freezes. Whichever, don't waste it on keeping miners in dangerous and unpleasant employment. Only a fool would waste it that way.

Dick Dasterdly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2LclqrDW_U

One for you bil.

Some of the last deep mines in my area had guys working in seams as narrow as 18 inches lying in water.
Health and Safety,...whats that?

leighbloke

Why do you need coal? It's only viable as a means of heating water to produce electricity - Nuclear combined with wind, tidal and more energy efficient appliances & buildings is the only sensible solution in the longer term.

Coal - It's yesterdays fuel, and using gas to fuel power stations was (is) a scandalous waste of a finite resource.

Fredbargate

That's what took the Great out of Britain

bil

Hmmm. Didn't you say you had opencast mines on your land? If you have sold rights to them you are hardly unbiased, are you?

Also, this rather reflects the tory mindset. If it needs fixing, smash it or sell it off cheap.

You know, I'm not saying Labour are brilliant, but the tories were deffo so crap that they couldn't reform the businesses they were supposed to be running for the good of the people.

Dick Dasterdly

I think by now you've got my point.

With regard to opencast mining you must be aware that all mineral rights belong to the Govt.
Land owners simply negotiate the best deal they can from those who have been licenced to mine the coal.
Short term gains can lead to bigger long term losses with regard to crop yields from good land.
With regard to operations on my patch which go back two previous generations, the resultant long term losses have far outweighed the short term gain.
Way back 60 year ago the standards of land restoration were abysmal with much of the original topsoil being lost altogether,no drainage systems installed and land which could well take a thousand years to recover.
In more recent times restoration standards have improved quite a lot and resultant long term losses are not so great,in fact in some cases, what was originally very poor land could well be improved.

Oh, and opencast mining has continued over the years under both Labour and Tory govts to a fairly equal degree,...so you are completely wasting your time trying to twist it into a political arguement.

bil

Not trying to twist it to a political argument. The fact is that any extraction carried out badly needs to be improved. Imagine if open cast mines were closed down instead of improved?