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Michael74 May 4th 2011 8:53 pm

Iberdrola discount
 
Does anyone have any information re Iberdrola giving a ten percent discount off bills if meters are read every two months instead of every month. Heard this yesterday for the first time so not sure if it's a fact.

Mitzyboy May 4th 2011 9:04 pm

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9344540)
Does anyone have any information re Iberdrola giving a ten percent discount off bills if meters are read every two months instead of every month. Heard this yesterday for the first time so not sure if it's a fact.

Around here all meters are read every two months, every other bill being estimated. We dont get a discount though

Michael74 May 4th 2011 9:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 9344559)
Around here all meters are read every two months, every other bill being estimated. We dont get a discount though

Our meters have also been read every two months with no estimates so far. I think the 10% discount is just another one of those rumours.

Have just applied to go onto their Two Part Tariff with off peak electicity charges of 6.04 €cents per kwh. available from 2300 - 1300hrs summer time and 2200 - 1200hrs winter time. Anything to reduce their high charges. They said they will contact me in 3 -4 days but won't hold my breath

If anyone is interested in doing this - get in touch with them and they will send you a new contract for you to sign and return. I sent mine by post but I believe it may be possible to sign, scan and send by email

Mitzyboy May 4th 2011 9:18 pm

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9344576)
Our meters have also been read every two months with no estimates so far. I think the 10% discount is just another one of those rumours.

Have just applied to go onto their Two Part Tariff with off peak electicity charges of 6.04 €cents per kwh. available from 2300 - 1300hrs summer time and 2200 - 1200hrs winter time. Anything to reduce their high charges. They said they will contact me in 3 -4 days but won't hold my breath

If anyone is interested in doing this - get in touch with them and they will send you a new contract for you to sign and return. I sent mine by post but I believe it may be possible to sign, scan and send by email

So you dont get a bill every month still? Thats strange. We get (usually) an overestimated bill, plus the bills have been getting higher and higher this year, presumably due to rate increases

snikpoh May 4th 2011 9:24 pm

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 9344581)
So you dont get a bill every month still? Thats strange. We get (usually) an overestimated bill, plus the bills have been getting higher and higher this year, presumably due to rate increases

If you are specifically on the two-month tariff, then you only get bills every two months.

Monthly tariffs are sometimes estimated and sometimes 'sin consumo' and occasionally they come and read the meter (very hit-and-miss though). I invariably end up reading all the meters, ringing them through only to be told that they have already billed for this quarter and so will use this reading for next time (doh!!!!!).

Michael74 May 5th 2011 12:20 am

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 9344581)
So you dont get a bill every month still? Thats strange. We get (usually) an overestimated bill, plus the bills have been getting higher and higher this year, presumably due to rate increases

Agree with you about the bills getting higher and higher. Am seriously looking into installing a gas water heater (the on demand type) as I think the biggest culprit is the electric water heater.

Fred James May 5th 2011 2:05 am

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Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9344857)
Agree with you about the bills getting higher and higher. Am seriously looking into installing a gas water heater (the on demand type) as I think the biggest culprit is the electric water heater.

Stick with the electric heater. Now you are on the off peak tariff, fit a timer, keep the thermostat set low and you will save a fortune!

I have all the hot water I need for about €50 a year.

Michael74 May 5th 2011 3:14 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 9345057)
Stick with the electric heater. Now you are on the off peak tariff, fit a timer, keep the thermostat set low and you will save a fortune!

I have all the hot water I need for about €50 a year.

I assume you are on the off peak tariff, if so do you heat the water for the whole of the off peak time or only for just a few hours?

Fred James May 5th 2011 5:38 am

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Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9345221)
I assume you are on the off peak tariff, if so do you heat the water for the whole of the off peak time or only for just a few hours?

It's on for three hours from about 4am. It usually reaches temperature (about 50c) well under 3 hours. There is plenty of water for showers in the morning and it is still warm by late afternoon.

If we think we will need more hot water later - maybe a party later and lots of washing up, we override the timer for an hour or so before the off peak switches off at 12 noon (1pm in the summer).

It works well for just the two of us - a houseful of kids and guests would need a different approach.

It's fair to say that water heating is probably the smallest item on our bill (which is now about €2000 a year).

With careful planning of the usage of the various appliances we manage to get our off peak usage up to 70% of the total.

Michael74 May 6th 2011 12:29 am

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Quote -It's fair to say that water heating is probably the smallest item on our bill (which is now about €2000 a year).

Do I read that right, Fred €2000 year ????

Fred James May 6th 2011 12:47 am

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Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9347112)
Do I read that right, Fred €2000 year ????

I'm afraid so:(:(

fadingstarlight May 6th 2011 12:50 am

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i wish Iberdrola would offer discounts. we pay more then 400 euros every 2 months. our last bill was 630. as to why who knows. there is just 2 of us and a baby. low energy light bulbs, cook top and water heating are gas.
iberdrola robs us every month

Fredbargate May 6th 2011 2:15 am

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9344540)
Does anyone have any information re Iberdrola giving a ten percent discount off bills if meters are read every two months instead of every month. Heard this yesterday for the first time so not sure if it's a fact.

Iberdrola do offer various discounts with catches :huh:

https://www.iberdrola.es/webibd/corp...46911635116131

Michael74 May 6th 2011 4:36 am

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Originally Posted by fadingstarlight (Post 9347158)
i wish Iberdrola would offer discounts. we pay more then 400 euros every 2 months. our last bill was 630. as to why who knows. there is just 2 of us and a baby. low energy light bulbs, cook top and water heating are gas.
iberdrola robs us every month



http://www.pat-training.co.uk/230V_e...city_meter.htm

It's a thought. At least we would know where all the power is going

snikpoh May 6th 2011 5:10 am

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9347582)
http://www.pat-training.co.uk/230V_e...city_meter.htm

It's a thought. At least we would know where all the power is going

Not really much good, surely? It only measures the device you plug into it.

Can't measure the hob or anything that has direct feed.


What you really need is something that measures at the 'board' so that by switching appliances on/off you can immediately see the effect they have - is there such a device?

Fred James May 6th 2011 5:21 am

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Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 9347640)
Not really much good, surely? It only measures the device you plug into it.

Can't measure the hob or anything that has direct feed.


What you really need is something that measures at the 'board' so that by switching appliances on/off you can immediately see the effect they have - is there such a device?

A current clamp perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_clamp

Michael74 May 6th 2011 8:21 am

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 9347640)
Not really much good, surely? It only measures the device you plug into it.

Can't measure the hob or anything that has direct feed.


What you really need is something that measures at the 'board' so that by switching appliances on/off you can immediately see the effect they have - is there such a device?

That's a good point. Will have to put my thinking cap on unless a friendly sparky can come up with an idea.

Fred James May 6th 2011 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9348015)
That's a good point. Will have to put my thinking cap on unless a friendly sparky can come up with an idea.

Did you not read my post about a current clamp?

Michael74 May 6th 2011 10:02 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 9348091)
Did you not read my post about a current clamp?

Yes I read it, understood it? No

Fred James May 6th 2011 7:20 pm

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Well it's a simple device that clamps round an electrical cable (without cutting into it) and measures the current passing through.

To measure the total current being used you would just clamp it round the big black cable going into the meter.

Any decent electrician should have one.

Michael74 May 6th 2011 9:17 pm

Re: Iberdrola discount
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 9348680)
Well it's a simple device that clamps round an electrical cable (without cutting into it) and measures the current passing through.

To measure the total current being used you would just clamp it round the big black cable going into the meter.

Any decent electrician should have one.

Thanks Fred, got that bit but it was decyphering the readings that would confuse me !!

fadingstarlight May 11th 2011 1:50 am

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yea. our counter was apparently ok.... it might be my connection to the iberdrola system from my box.... how do i check that?

i think i might need more then a plug. my appliances are all brand new should be energy efficient

Michael74 May 11th 2011 2:19 am

Re: Iberdrola discount
 
Phone Iberdrola on Friday complaining about the fact that I had been waiting for my two part tariff meter to be fitted since posting the contracts to them in Feb.

Surprise, surprise yesterday electricity went off with no warning and when I checked, the meter had been fitted. All the meters are in a group in an adjacent hallway but it was odd that they didn't bother to warn me that the power was being cut off.

Anyway, now looking forward to some sensible bills in the future. Fingers crossed

Taking your advice Fred and experimenting with six hours on during the off peak period for the water heater.

:fingerscrossed:

fadingstarlight May 11th 2011 8:36 am

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we had to update the wiring in our place before we could get iberdrola to set up our electricity box. it took 8 months. i had no electricity and a newborn baby for 8 months. i hate iberdrola with all the fiber of my being. a million phone calls and trying to deal with them we finally get and now we have like 600 euros bills every 2 months. WTF:confused:

Laights May 21st 2011 10:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9348829)
Thanks Fred, got that bit but it was decyphering the readings that would confuse me !!

So why dont you speak to Paul?

fadingstarlight Jun 10th 2011 2:20 am

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i found out that Iberdrola had my power wattage set up at like 5.0 milliamps or something like that which is what businesses use. so got it changed to 3.4 so that should cut out alot of money i was paying. and also something in my house is just sucking power so i i read about that thing that electricians have that check how much power is being used so having a friend come in and checking that.

johnnyone Jun 10th 2011 11:11 pm

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I have had no problem with my Iberdrola bills.

However I have decided to bite the bullet and increase my potencia to 10kw from 5.75kw that is just not enough in the winter.

Has anyone experienced making this change and was it hassle free?
I am not in Spain all the time so need any appointment made to be kept to by Iberdrola. Is this likely?

As my installation is less than 5 years old there should be no need (I hope)to obtain a boletin.Is that correct?

Thanks

Fred James Jun 10th 2011 11:45 pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyone (Post 9425652)
I have had no problem with my Iberdrola bills.

However I have decided to bite the bullet and increase my potencia to 10kw from 5.75kw that is just not enough in the winter.

Has anyone experienced making this change and was it hassle free?
I am not in Spain all the time so need any appointment made to be kept to by Iberdrola. Is this likely?

As my installation is less than 5 years old there should be no need (I hope)to obtain a boletin.Is that correct?

Thanks

You should have a boletin on a house that new. You will certainly need it if you upgrade to 9.2kw (that's the max unless you have 3 phase supply).

Your boletin will show the max potencia that your installation is capable of - hopefully it will be 10kw otherwise you have a problem.

They will need access to install the 45amp ICP.

You can also expect to pay €250 or more for the contract upgrade.

johnnyone Jun 11th 2011 1:35 am

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Thanks Fred.
250 for the upgrade is taking the proverbial, but I cannot stand another winter of it tripping. Its usually the kettle that puts us over the limit.

Domino Jun 11th 2011 2:59 am

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Originally Posted by Michael74 (Post 9348829)
Thanks Fred, got that bit but it was decyphering the readings that would confuse me !!

Apologies if this is not appropriate but....
For a quick local check on the current a current clamp multimeter would do fine and you get the multimeter bit for other work such as fuse checking etc. They used to be inordinately expensive and fairly hard to get hold of but many mail order co's are now doing them from around £15.00 in uk. Probably better paying around £25 will ensure reasonable readout and accuracy but the leccy board will not take it as a legal challenge to their bills.

If you are worried about the readings meaning anything - well they actually won't as all you will get is an analogue meter reading showing the current being taken from the system, it will not totalise to give a check against the meter.
It can be quite frightening when you switch on an item and see the meter jump - the same way as the money jumps out of your pocket.:eek:

That way if you have nothing switched on and both clamp and main meter are showing use then there are other outputs you don't know of - such as the house or shop next door.:frown:

hth


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