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lutonlad Oct 23rd 2014 6:14 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
Just to confirm. Iberdrola bill me every 2 months. Have done for about a year (monthly before that).

Fred James Oct 23rd 2014 6:20 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
It depends on the contract you are on. We are billed every two months by Iberdrola.

Fred James Oct 23rd 2014 6:24 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 

Originally Posted by Neptuno (Post 11448117)
Unless someone lives in a mansion, 5.75 kw is more than enough for a 3 bed house with swimming pool.
We upgraded from 3.3 to 5.75( not cheap process) and have had no problem at all.
Some take the route of just having a higher fuse fitted, dangerous and illegal, and will be found out when a smart meter is fitted ( as all Spain will have eventually) as only the contracted power will be given.
900 euros a year for standing charge? Mad!!

Not necessarily mad. As I said earlier, if you have electric heating it gets expensive.

We have 150m2 of electric underfloor heating which can take a maximum of 17kw if it is all on at the same time.

We "make do" with "only" 14kw of potencia , but even that can trip occasionally. Some of that is due to the way a three phase supply is wired and there is no easy way round that.

However, it's lovely and warm in winter when we get up in the morning!

amideislas Oct 23rd 2014 9:27 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 11448159)
Not necessarily mad. As I said earlier, if you have electric heating it gets expensive.

We have 150m2 of electric underfloor heating which can take a maximum of 17kw if it is all on at the same time.

We "make do" with "only" 14kw of potencia , but even that can trip occasionally. Some of that is due to the way a three phase supply is wired and there is no easy way round that.

However, it's lovely and warm in winter when we get up in the morning!

Fred, it's nice that you have the resources to enjoy "not worrying about it", but it's a bit ironic that in a country that is amongst Europe's most challenging economies, many people just can't afford €80 per month just to "have" access to electricity before they consume one watt of energy - and especially considering that Spain has amongst the highest energy costs in the world, and some of the world's most profitable energy monopolies.

I would prefer that the energy companies in Spain had some competition and less political influence. That would bring energy prices down significantly. Unfortunately, "competition" is apparently a dirty word in Spain.

Fred James Oct 23rd 2014 6:32 pm

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11448443)
I would prefer that the energy companies in Spain had some competition and less political influence. That would bring energy prices down significantly. Unfortunately, "competition" is apparently a dirty word in Spain.

That's not entirely true.

There is now a "free market" for electricity and the prices within this market can vary enormously.

Unfortunately it only applies to heavy users with a potencia of over 10kw (which rules out about 95% of domestic customers). We were with Endesa originally but when the free market was introduced we were then forced to negotiate a free market contract.

This was more expensive because the normal tarifs are heavily subsidised by the government. It is in theory possible for anyone to switch suppliers but as the tariffs are all artificially low then the offers are all almost identical so it isn't often worth changing.

In the "real" free market the offers can be very different as there is now competition. Endesa are one of the most expensive but there are some companies that are 50% cheaper.

Our contract is an annual one and this year Iberdrola reduced the charges by 25% to keep us.

So basically, there is competition in the market but it doesn't apply to most users.

Jalonboy Oct 26th 2014 10:58 pm

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
hi all ,
how do I find what my potencia is?
Similarly we get billed 150-190 per month even though we are not there!
How do I find the Iberdrola office (near Javea?Moraira)?
I have never seen a bill itemising consumption/charges. How do I get one?
thanks

amideislas Oct 26th 2014 11:49 pm

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 11448857)
That's not entirely true.

There is now a "free market" for electricity and the prices within this market can vary enormously.

Unfortunately it only applies to heavy users with a potencia of over 10kw (which rules out about 95% of domestic customers). We were with Endesa originally but when the free market was introduced we were then forced to negotiate a free market contract.

This was more expensive because the normal tarifs are heavily subsidised by the government. It is in theory possible for anyone to switch suppliers but as the tariffs are all artificially low then the offers are all almost identical so it isn't often worth changing.

In the "real" free market the offers can be very different as there is now competition. Endesa are one of the most expensive but there are some companies that are 50% cheaper.

Our contract is an annual one and this year Iberdrola reduced the charges by 25% to keep us.

So basically, there is competition in the market but it doesn't apply to most users.

Point accepted, however, as you also point out, Spanish energy regulations (written primarily by the energy giants) eliminate competition for most people, and that's a far better situation for Spanish energy giants than in most countries.

In your region there may be a bit more "competition", but here in Mallorca, Endesa has the monopoly. You can "switch" to Iberdrola, but it's nothing more than switching who bills you for it. Yes, under certain circumstances, the bills could be a Euro or two less per billing period with Iberdrola. But Iberdorla has only a tiny office here with a handful of staff, and "service" is provided by Endesa anyway...

bobd22 Oct 26th 2014 11:50 pm

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
It should show your potencia on your bill?

snikpoh Oct 27th 2014 12:37 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 

Originally Posted by Jalonboy (Post 11451974)
hi all ,
how do I find what my potencia is?
Similarly we get billed 150-190 per month even though we are not there!
How do I find the Iberdrola office (near Javea?Moraira)?
I have never seen a bill itemising consumption/charges. How do I get one?
thanks

Register for an on line account - really simple with Iberdrola.

You can then see your contract details as well as all your bills (in detail).


I needed to see my son's bills - he rents from a Spanish landlord. All I needed was the landlords name and DNI and his bank account number - all were on the rental contract. I logged on, used these details and was soon browsing my son't electricity bill (as I was the one who was going to have to pay it).

jonboy Oct 27th 2014 12:55 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
Hi Jalonboy, You can register to get your bills on line www.iberdrola.es
I looks like you are paying for 2 or 3 other houses.
The normal bill which comes through the post is full of such information. I would not be surprised if the local office send you a Christmas card as well this year:p

Try here

https://www.iberdrola.es/02sica/clie...LACION=0820000

jonboy Oct 27th 2014 1:02 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
Hi Jalonboy,
I just looked at your old posts and you were moaning about this in December 2012. Why trouble yourself now in October 2014 just keep paying them the money, you spoilsport:lol:

Jalonboy Oct 27th 2014 3:33 am

Re: Iberdrola Bills
 
ha ha! correct Jonboy .my bad.

Just set the online account up and have bills going back to 2013.
Iberdrola says something must be wrong! Looks like I'm paying for other folks:eek:
I'm travelling to the house this week to see if there is a leak!!
thx everyone



Originally Posted by jonboy (Post 11452080)
Hi Jalonboy,
I just looked at your old posts and you were moaning about this in December 2012. Why trouble yourself now in October 2014 just keep paying them the money, you spoilsport:lol:



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