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-cordoba- Mar 28th 2011 7:46 pm

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I've just noticed that BBVA-ANIDA has lowered their prices again for Rago-1, that may explain all the movement there these days. Has anyone put up motion detector lights on their terraces to deter robberies, and if so, any installer-supplier around there. Thanks.

EsuriJohn Mar 29th 2011 12:37 am

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Originally Posted by -cordoba- (Post 9271233)
I've just noticed that BBVA-ANIDA has lowered their prices again for Rago-1, that may explain all the movement there these days. Has anyone put up motion detector lights on their terraces to deter robberies, and if so, any installer-supplier around there. Thanks.

Yes put one up myself last December and found it bust after a bad storm so put another one up last month works fine easy to do if you have put up an interior light fitting bought the last one at Lidl. Bigger selection at Le Roy Merlin. I am sure the increased interest has been provoked by the price reductions. One nice result has been the rebalance of nationalities. Instead of being a N European enclave CE has a more realistic Spanish national presence and is much more cosmopolitan lots of Swedish No plates this winter.

One additional factor to the reduction in price by the banks may be the granting of mortgages by those banks and these are easier post crisis for Spaniards than others.

betris Mar 29th 2011 4:50 am

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9271653)
Yes put one up myself last December and found it bust after a bad storm so put another one up last month works fine easy to do if you have put up an interior light fitting bought the last one at Lidl. Bigger selection at Le Roy Merlin. I am sure the increased interest has been provoked by the price reductions. One nice result has been the rebalance of nationalities. Instead of being a N European enclave CE has a more realistic Spanish national presence and is much more cosmopolitan lots of Swedish No plates this winter.

One additional factor to the reduction in price by the banks may be the granting of mortgages by those banks and these are easier post crisis for Spaniards than others.

fitting should be 10/15 euro.ive known idiots who have gladly handed over 100/120euro

betris Mar 29th 2011 4:54 am

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9268948)
I'm not suggesting that the unskilled should do it themselves but that it is not a difficult and should not be an expensive conversion but the bottles should be outside.

the bottles only need a ground level vent.as the gas is heavyer than air

-cordoba- Mar 29th 2011 5:43 am

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I'll just give my daily thanks to all who gave advice. See you tom.

Jon-Bxl Mar 29th 2011 9:29 pm

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9267626)
Like you we decided against gas even though the main passes the gate because of the standing charge cost. So we are all electric for heat and light except solar water heating. We had many January days that gave lashings of hot water without the need for immersion back up and in July and August we could run off hot water all day at no cost if the water was free!

Get in touch with Sam and Bennie who have come up with a
neat security system sytem for the Fadesa fitted wooden doors.

Contary to your thoughts on "the locals" we have found some really reliable Spanish and one English tradesmen who give us really good prices over a range of our needs and do a super job.

Just a quick question: Can you connect a kitchen gas hob, normally meant for mains gas supply, to a cylinder? Or do you have to modify eg the burners/pressure etc.

Are all ' cylinders' the same, i.e camping gas? From the small ones you put on a camping gas stove, to the cylinders we can use instead of mains gas pressure. Ive noticed in caravan sites people are using the cylinders and inside the caravans the kitchen stuff looks the same as a home one.

We had the option of a cylinder or a direct connection to the gas supply and went for the connection, but I am interested in this for another reason

THanks
Jon

Thanks

Jon

EsuriJohn Mar 29th 2011 10:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 9273771)
Just a quick question: Can you connect a kitchen gas hob, normally meant for mains gas supply, to a cylinder? Or do you have to modify eg the burners/pressure etc.

Are all ' cylinders' the same, i.e camping gas? From the small ones you put on a camping gas stove, to the cylinders we can use instead of mains gas pressure. Ive noticed in caravan sites people are using the cylinders and inside the caravans the kitchen stuff looks the same as a home one.

We had the option of a cylinder or a direct connection to the gas supply and went for the connection, but I am interested in this for another reason

THanks
Jon

Thanks

Jon

As you know so much better than me there are two types of gas from oil fields propane and butane I think the mains gas for Spain is brought from N Africa in an undersea pipeline and is propane. If you want to use either of them from a bottle they will need the correct type burner in the appliance. So for a start you would need to know what type of gas the appliance is set up for and what type of bottled gas is available near you at reasonable cost. Then set up the appliance to match the available gas (should not cost much to change the burners). Then you need a bottle and a regulator.

In Ayamonte there are many places that sell gas but not all are able to set you up with contract and regulator. For our barbie Jag told us to go to the Kitchen shop opposite the Market hall and sure enough they set us up with a contract a new full bottle and a regulator to match. The regulators seem to be all different and match suppliers bottles ie. Repsol, BP and others so you would have to change to suit but that is easy just undo the stanley clip and pull the hose off.

There is a big range of bottle sizes but for sensible use you would want one that has the adapter for a regulator the very small ones are do not have this. The bigger ones are sized by weight I think the "normal" one is 25kg small probably 10kgand the tall big ones perhaps 50kg.

Jon-Bxl Mar 29th 2011 11:13 pm

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9273897)
As you know so much better than me there are two types of gas from oil fields propane and butane I think the mains gas for Spain is brought from N Africa in an undersea pipeline and is propane. If you want to use either of them from a bottle they will need the correct type burner in the appliance. So for a start you would need to know what type of gas the appliance is set up for and what type of bottled gas is available near you at reasonable cost. Then set up the appliance to match the available gas (should not cost much to change the burners). Then you need a bottle and a regulator.

In Ayamonte there are many places that sell gas but not all are able to set you up with contract and regulator. For our barbie Jag told us to go to the Kitchen shop opposite the Market hall and sure enough they set us up with a contract a new full bottle and a regulator to match. The regulators seem to be all different and match suppliers bottles ie. Repsol, BP and others so you would have to change to suit but that is easy just undo the stanley clip and pull the hose off.

There is a big range of bottle sizes but for sensible use you would want one that has the adapter for a regulator the very small ones are do not have this. The bigger ones are sized by weight I think the "normal" one is 25kg small probably 10kgand the tall big ones perhaps 50kg.

Thanks John You know far more about it than I do.

I was hoping that I could get a normal (cheap) kitchen hob and just plug in different gas than the mains gas... changing the burners would add cost and complexity. And would need to be easily available for the hob.

We had a look at a mobile home in a park recently and noticed that the cooker seemed totally normal, yet was running off bottled gas. So they bought a 'special' hob, or found a way to modify/change the burners.

Thanks again

Jon

EsuriJohn Mar 30th 2011 3:19 am

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Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 9273956)
Thanks John You know far more about it than I do.

I was hoping that I could get a normal (cheap) kitchen hob and just plug in different gas than the mains gas... changing the burners would add cost and complexity. And would need to be easily available for the hob.

We had a look at a mobile home in a park recently and noticed that the cooker seemed totally normal, yet was running off bottled gas. So they bought a 'special' hob, or found a way to modify/change the burners.

Thanks again

Jon

No you just buy the hob for the gas you have got if you went along to a Caravan retailer they would have hobs for the bottle that you buy. Somewhere on the Algarve there is a large caravan retailer that also does repairs so they would have them. Saw a van with the info painted on the side at Pria Faro but did not absorb the detail.

Jon-Bxl Mar 30th 2011 6:14 am

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9274381)
No you just buy the hob for the gas you have got if you went along to a Caravan retailer they would have hobs for the bottle that you buy. Somewhere on the Algarve there is a large caravan retailer that also does repairs so they would have them. Saw a van with the info painted on the side at Pria Faro but did not absorb the detail.

Thanks John

I actually want to go the 'other way' - use a bottle gas on a hob meant for mains gas. Rather than have the gas 'choose' the hob. Sorry for the confusion

Thanks for the feedback

Jon

Teed Up Mar 30th 2011 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9271653)
Yes put one up myself last December and found it bust after a bad storm so put another one up last month works fine easy to do if you have put up an interior light fitting bought the last one at Lidl. Bigger selection at Le Roy Merlin. I am sure the increased interest has been provoked by the price reductions. One nice result has been the rebalance of nationalities. Instead of being a N European enclave CE has a more realistic Spanish national presence and is much more cosmopolitan lots of Swedish No plates this winter.

One additional factor to the reduction in price by the banks may be the granting of mortgages by those banks and these are easier post crisis for Spaniards than others.

Probably the reason for the additional reductions on Rago 1,only a few remaining now and prob not in the best spots,plus they are all sold as seen. IE,empty shells?

I thought the other site was known as Rago 3?.
Having just spent 10 days at Esuri it was good to see lots of activity on Rago 1,mostly Spanish couples who arrive each fri in their droves.

The local was well attended each night,and we now have Jag's sports bar open,so you can actually watch the football all the way through?.

Ken.

-cordoba- Mar 31st 2011 7:34 pm

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9271653)
Yes put one up myself last December and found it bust after a bad storm so put another one up last month works fine easy to do if you have put up an interior light fitting bought the last one at Lidl. Bigger selection at Le Roy Merlin. I am sure the increased interest has been provoked by the price reductions. One nice result has been the rebalance of nationalities. Instead of being a N European enclave CE has a more realistic Spanish national presence and is much more cosmopolitan lots of Swedish No plates this winter.

One additional factor to the reduction in price by the banks may be the granting of mortgages by those banks and these are easier post crisis for Spaniards than others.

In Las Colinas there are bank apts. (BBVA,LA CAIXA) w/ guarantees and others FADESA and private companies w/o guarantees (as is-won't fix broken appliances or fixtures,etc.)

Graham G Mar 31st 2011 8:29 pm

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Mercadona supermarket is introducing give way signs,
roundabouts and fast lanes within its store to combat trolley rage among
customers. The supermarket in by the BP garage is due to
launch the so-called Aisle-Way Code today to enhance a mood of calm
inside the upmarket supermarket. Apparently the store’s manager has denied
the new rules were an over-reaction, claiming health and safety
regulations demanded it. Instead he believes the unique move
will create a tranquil atmosphere for customers as they stock up on
groceries. Under the controversial measures slow and fast lanes,
roundabouts and give way signs will be introduced in every aisle while
trolleys will be fitted with “vital” wing mirrors.The measures
will deter a small minority of shoppers who cause problems by pushing
heavily-loaded shopping trolleys too fast and do not give way at busy
aisle junctions, particularly at peak weekend and evening times.

Notices on trolleys will promote trolley etiquette by asking shoppers to wave
each other into free spaces and respond with a “thank you” hand signal,
similar to the one used by drivers at the wheel of a car.

Jon-Bxl Mar 31st 2011 8:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Graham G (Post 9278932)
Mercadona supermarket is introducing give way signs,
roundabouts and fast lanes within its store to combat trolley rage among
customers. The supermarket in by the BP garage is due to
launch the so-called Aisle-Way Code today to enhance a mood of calm
inside the upmarket supermarket. Apparently the store’s manager has denied
the new rules were an over-reaction, claiming health and safety
regulations demanded it. Instead he believes the unique move
will create a tranquil atmosphere for customers as they stock up on
groceries. Under the controversial measures slow and fast lanes,
roundabouts and give way signs will be introduced in every aisle while
trolleys will be fitted with “vital” wing mirrors.The measures
will deter a small minority of shoppers who cause problems by pushing
heavily-loaded shopping trolleys too fast and do not give way at busy
aisle junctions, particularly at peak weekend and evening times.

Notices on trolleys will promote trolley etiquette by asking shoppers to wave
each other into free spaces and respond with a “thank you” hand signal,
similar to the one used by drivers at the wheel of a car.


Weird - I saw the Spanish version and used google translate and got this....

As you can see Google still has some ways to go - but not bad....

Mercadona is the introduction of yield,roundabouts and roads within their store to combat rabies in the truck customers. The supermarket of the BP petrol station is due to put in place the roads today corridor Code to improve a calm environment in luxury supermarkets. Apparently, the store manager refused
the new rules were an overreaction, saying health and safety regulations required it. Instead, he believes that the only movement create a relaxing environment for customers and stock up edible. Under the measures in fast and slow lanes, roundabouts and giving way to be introduced in all corridors, while
cars will be equipped with "vital" mirrors.The wing measures deter a small minority of buyers who can cause problems by pushing shopping carts heavily loaded too fast and not give way to availability union hall, especially on weekends and peak hours of the night.

Notices promote the label cars car buyers asking wave each other in the gaps and respond with a "thank you" hand signal,similar to that used by drivers at the wheel of a car.

EsuriJohn Mar 31st 2011 9:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Graham G (Post 9278932)
Mercadona supermarket is introducing give way signs,
roundabouts and fast lanes within its store to combat trolley rage among
customers. The supermarket in by the BP garage is due to
launch the so-called Aisle-Way Code today to enhance a mood of calm
inside the upmarket supermarket. Apparently the store’s manager has denied
the new rules were an over-reaction, claiming health and safety
regulations demanded it. Instead he believes the unique move
will create a tranquil atmosphere for customers as they stock up on
groceries. Under the controversial measures slow and fast lanes,
roundabouts and give way signs will be introduced in every aisle while
trolleys will be fitted with “vital” wing mirrors.The measures
will deter a small minority of shoppers who cause problems by pushing
heavily-loaded shopping trolleys too fast and do not give way at busy
aisle junctions, particularly at peak weekend and evening times.

Notices on trolleys will promote trolley etiquette by asking shoppers to wave
each other into free spaces and respond with a “thank you” hand signal,
similar to the one used by drivers at the wheel of a car.

Hi Graham long time no see. Must be April first. But then the A22 Tolls are the equivalent of a decades worth of April fools!!!!!


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