Jon-Bxl

Hi

I've started this thread as I want to get a second hand motorbike......

............ but............ when I bought my apartment in Spain I heard that any outstanding debt from the previous owner was transferred to me!! The new owner! Unless sorted before sale. My (useless ??) lawyer did not tell me there was a debt! I think that's the first responsibility of a property lawyer - to make sure there are no debts forwarded to the new owner.... = his client! (But what do I know!) I was lumbered with this debt and had to sort it out. It made me VERY cautious!!

So going back to the topic that I started (!) if this is the way things work in Spain, please can you help me through the process of buying a motorbike...

Could you help me with some questions please...?.... I've found a bike to buy.. but I am wary...

1. How can I be sure that the bike I've got is FULLY mine - with no (e.g) outstanding loan/HP... please? Before you answer, assume the worst, the guy selling has made some bad mistakes.
   
2. What about numberplates? Can I simply take his bike (once I have paid?) or do I have to do something else please?
   
3. How do I register the bike in my name - please?
   
4. Does the registration process check the previous owners, and their loan/HP debt - and if a problem, call me? etc etc..
   
5. What is the process when you have bought privately please - and what protections are there? And.... do you have any advice on how I can get the bike - with no existing problems?????

I just want to be 100% sure the bike is mine when buying from a stranger.... I've heard horror-stories in the UK about being conned....

Could anyone help me to get this bike and show me what I have to do to have 100% comfort that the bike has no 'baggage' - and I can ride away into the 'sunset' with no worries...

Thank you
Jon

VFR

Hello Jon.
Go and see a Gestor to complete the sale for you (costs a little)

snikpoh

Yes, but the last time he did something like that, he got STUFFED! Obviously, he's now wary.

Loco Pedro

I empathise with you and your concerns. For those reasons, and better prices, I chose to buy one from England and import it.
I saved about 2000 euros on the price and spent about 350 on the import process/impuesto plus a new headlight for 110.
We've all been ripped off in various ways since coming to live here so wherever possible I avoid allowing the Spanish the opportunity to screw me further.

Jon-Bxl

Thanks everyone for the help.

Long and tedious story but I was going to buy a brand new Yamaha 125.. and got totally 'screwed'. It was cheaper in Spain than the UK, I'm guessing with the crisis etc.

Now I am looking at buying second hand and I have a bike offered to me.

I had a 'lawyer' when I bought the home, who really upset me... left me with debts, and I am wary. But a good friend has a Gestor that he fully trusts. Would a good gestor handle all the paperwork and not commit me to any hidden costs? I am happy to pay his fee if this is the case. I've never used a Gestor before.

Thanks again

Jon

Loco Pedro

Unfortunately, we all have heard horror stories about "gestors" - so best of luck with your friend's recommendation.
A friend here (Denia) has just celebrated the 2nd anniversary of his application to exchange his UK driving licence for a Spanish licence - using a "gestor" - and he still doesn't have a licence !

Jon-Bxl

Ohmigosh.... gets worse all the time! I would explain my horror story here about the bikes - but would need to write a chapter!.....

Jon

flotsum

we bought a car second hand here, but from a family member. however we were surprised at how much it cost to transfer the car to our name as we had to pay tax on the value that the tax people assessed the car to be, also a transfer fee to put the paperwork in our name we did it through the gestor, her fees were reasonable but I do not think she checked for outstanding debt, why don't you go and talk to your friends gestor first to find out what the service involves and a rough cost.