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MoscowJoe Dec 5th 2011 9:25 pm

Help with a Motorbike question please
 
Hi

I am buying a second hand BMW motorbike off my mate in Germany and want to ride it here in Andalucia where I live with my girlfriend.
I can get all the papers for ownership of the bike etc, but can anyone please
advise me on what I will need to do at this end? I am hoping I can just ride as a visitor on the German plates without too much trouble, as I don't really know how long I will be in Spain for. I also have no idea what to do (or how to go about getting) insurance, as this is my first bike.

Any pointers very welcome, thanks.

Joe.

Rosemary Dec 5th 2011 9:34 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by MoscowJoe (Post 9772981)
Hi

I am buying a second hand BMW motorbike off my mate in Germany and want to ride it here in Andalucia where I live with my girlfriend.
I can get all the papers for ownership of the bike etc, but can anyone please
advise me on what I will need to do at this end? I am hoping I can just ride as a visitor on the German plates without too much trouble, as I don't really know how long I will be in Spain for. I also have no idea what to do (or how to go about getting) insurance, as this is my first bike.

Any pointers very welcome, thanks.

Joe.

As Concierges for the Spanish section of BE we would like to say hello and welcome.

BE is a very large expat website, so if you have problems finding your way around we have concierges who will try to direct you. The moderators for the Spanish forums are Mitzyboy and Fred James, moderators are there to ensure that the site runs smoothly within the rules of BE. Problems and complaints should always be addressed to a moderador who will look into the matter and deal with it efficiently and fairly. Our members who post in the Spain Forums are friendly and helpful with a wealth of knowledge of the issues of living in Spain. At the top of the page you will find a quirkily named thread called Free Beer which is full of important and useful information. Hope you enjoy your time participating in the forums.

Please let us know if you need any further help.

Rosemary and Graham

missile Dec 7th 2011 4:38 am

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 
It is quite easy to bring a vehicle from your home country. There are several threads on importing and re-registration of cars. The rules apply to bikes.

Not too sure how you would go about importing a vehicle from Germany. Can you register and insure it before you bring it to spain? your mate should be able to advise.

Seems like a lot of hassle and I would look for one here.

Insurance for bikes is expensive and you will be unlikely to obtain comprehensive insurance on a secodhand bike. I assume you hold a valid license to ride this bike?

pwwm Dec 7th 2011 5:23 am

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 
I was led to believe that German vehicle plates stay with the owner, only going by a friend that bought a car, he had to use export plates from Germany, that was a new vehicle though, so may be different for 2nd hand xx

Rosemary Dec 7th 2011 5:34 am

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by MoscowJoe (Post 9772981)
Hi

I am buying a second hand BMW motorbike off my mate in Germany and want to ride it here in Andalucia where I live with my girlfriend.
I can get all the papers for ownership of the bike etc, but can anyone please
advise me on what I will need to do at this end? I am hoping I can just ride as a visitor on the German plates without too much trouble, as I don't really know how long I will be in Spain for. I also have no idea what to do (or how to go about getting) insurance, as this is my first bike.

Any pointers very welcome, thanks.

Joe.

If the same applies as with cars then much will depend on how long you intend to stay in Spain, I imported a car from France and registered it in the UK so that I would have owned it for more than six monthe so avoiding some of the tax requiring payment in Spain, I would guess that the same would apply to a bike.
There are a few posters on here who know the ins and outs of the procedure and hopefully will be along shortly.

Graham

Dxf Dec 7th 2011 8:46 am

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 
Hi

When you come to change the number plates, YOU need to own the vehicle! Think about it, steal a vehicle and then tell everyone you have just bought it - change the plates and it´s yours "for free"

If you already live in Spain and are on the padron, then you will have to pay first registration tax (called inport tax by the Brits). this is now based on Co2
Davexf

U-WUS Dec 12th 2011 10:32 am

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 
I've looked into this for bike buying (having ridden bikes all my life) and the taxes on imported bikes are prohibitive. In addition, insurance on an imported bike is just stupid. If you intend to have the bike here for more than 6 months, forget it.
This is just one of the ways that Spain gets around the EU free market rules. In the case of cars, the difference in price between Germany and Spain can comfortably cover the difference in sale price, where bikes are concerned, I wouldn't bother. I have a good friend who is a breaker/seller of imported bikes. He stopped importing whole bikes as the taxation made it impossible to make a profit

snikpoh Dec 12th 2011 6:14 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by U-WUS (Post 9784816)
I've looked into this for bike buying (having ridden bikes all my life) and the taxes on imported bikes are prohibitive. In addition, insurance on an imported bike is just stupid. If you intend to have the bike here for more than 6 months, forget it.
This is just one of the ways that Spain gets around the EU free market rules. In the case of cars, the difference in price between Germany and Spain can comfortably cover the difference in sale price, where bikes are concerned, I wouldn't bother. I have a good friend who is a breaker/seller of imported bikes. He stopped importing whole bikes as the taxation made it impossible to make a profit

I feel you have been misled!

Insurance is no different on imported bikes than on any other - provided they are both, equally, fully matriculated here in Spain.

I do agree that the 'first registration' tax can be prohibitive, but can be avoided if you meet the necessary criteria.

rafikiphoto Dec 13th 2011 8:04 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by Dxf (Post 9776417)
If you already live in Spain and are on the padron, then you will have to pay first registration tax (called inport tax by the Brits).

Hi Dave,

We imported our Land Rover about 18 months ago in Sevilla province. We had been on the padron for about 5 years although we were not resident (commuting 2 long weekends per month). When our gestor put all the papers in, there were some raised eyebrows in the Hacienda when they saw the date we were first entered on the padron but, when I supplied evidence that we had been resident in UK (hospital admission letter, letters from HMRC to our UK address etc. with recent dates), we were not charged the first registration tax.

Loco Pedro Dec 15th 2011 8:50 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by U-WUS (Post 9784816)
I've looked into this for bike buying (having ridden bikes all my life) and the taxes on imported bikes are prohibitive. In addition, insurance on an imported bike is just stupid. If you intend to have the bike here for more than 6 months, forget it.
This is just one of the ways that Spain gets around the EU free market rules. In the case of cars, the difference in price between Germany and Spain can comfortably cover the difference in sale price, where bikes are concerned, I wouldn't bother. I have a good friend who is a breaker/seller of imported bikes. He stopped importing whole bikes as the taxation made it impossible to make a profit

I imported an 11 year Yamaha Virago 750 here 3 years ago. Bike value in UK - £2500, but here, nearer 4,500 - 5000 euros at that time. Import duty paid 78 euros !!!

Loco Pedro Dec 15th 2011 8:53 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by Loco Pedro (Post 9791948)
I imported an 11 year Yamaha Virago 750 here 3 years ago. Bike value in UK - £2500, but here, nearer 4,500 - 5000 euros at that time. Import duty paid 78 euros !!!

....and we'd lived lived here permanently for 4 years by then so I didn't get any duty reduction for importation on first arrival.

missile Dec 15th 2011 8:58 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by Loco Pedro (Post 9791948)
I imported an 11 year Yamaha Virago 750 here 3 years ago. Bike value in UK - £2500, but here, nearer 4,500 - 5000 euros at that time. Import duty paid 78 euros !!!

In your dreams :rofl:
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/sh...ago-750cc.html

Loco Pedro Dec 15th 2011 9:57 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by missile (Post 9791961)

Perhaps the English language is a challenge for you, but I said it was 3 years ago - in fact, on reflection its now nearer 4 years ago. Also, my bike was 1 owner from new with only 7000 miles on it, in immaculate condition, with full panniers, rear bag, new twin Remus exhaust, full screen, engine bars etc., and to be certain of its value here I looked at an identical Spanish bike with 17,000kms on it - price 5500 euros on Secundomano.es.
When I dream, its far more interesting than motorbike prices !

missile Dec 15th 2011 11:10 pm

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 
If you can post a link this link to an eleven year old Varadero @ 5,500€ I will eat my virtual crash helmet :starsmile:

Rotor Dec 16th 2011 1:02 am

Re: Help with a Motorbike question please
 

Originally Posted by missile (Post 9792115)
If you can post a link this link to an eleven year old Varadero @ 5,500€ I will eat my virtual crash helmet :starsmile:

Better get your gloves on the boil as well seeing as this one is 6k....

http://www.autoscout24.es/Moto/Detai...x?id=201012688


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