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Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 8757135)
I think you arent getting the point.
EU rules state that a British resident in Spain should be entitled to the same help that a Spanish person gets in Spain. i.e. in the case of elderly people, none at all. You can't move to Spain and then demand that Spain is more like Britain! Spain is free to govern its country how it seems fit in a democratic manner. It costs them 0.85€ per day, and they get meals delivered to them they also get free holidays with food included. I´m not demanding that Spain be like Britain but to be fair to the people that have paid into its system. |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by jay01
(Post 8757172)
I was not pointing out the healthcare side of it but more to do with the lifestyle and how we live our lives.
In the USA a person will stand and watch a man die in the street because he is frightened of being sued should the man die anyway and if he has tried to help it will open him up to litigation. . It is against the law not to intervene if you see a somebody suffering or injured. Just like it is illegal not to stop and help a motorist after an accident even if you were not involved. |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by jay01
(Post 8757141)
The reason people move or have moved here is because it is very different to the UK, The UK has not always had home help, free health care, benefits for those less fortunate and each country moves at its own pace, Spain is getting there and in 20/30yrs time they will have it and by then the UK will be like the USA is now and people will still be saying that it is still behind the times because what they have had seems to denote what they should expect.
In mid 1948 they introduced free health care can you imagine how some must have felt needing to pay for a doctor because they got sick a week before it was free. Maybe the UK should be more like the rest of Europe and not offer the free benefits then maybe it would not be seen as the place to be and thus make Brits move to countries that are not like the UK. |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by Oakhouse Spain
(Post 8757178)
The Spanish do get help with regards to meals!
It costs them 0.85€ per day, and they get meals delivered to them they also get free holidays with food included. I´m not demanding that Spain be like Britain but to be fair to the people that have paid into its system. You keep saying British expats have paid into the system, but have they? Very very few pay their monthly social security contributions each month in Spain or did so before they retired. Regarding the cheap meals, you will have to look into it to see how you can claim them and whether you would have had to have a paid a minimum number of years into the social security system or not. Like anything in Spain, knowledge is king! |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Here you go, everything you need to know is here:
You are right, there seems to be lots of help given to elderly people in Spain. No reason why British elderly people can't claim it too! As long as they have someone who can apply and understand the system in Spanish http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_1/...ales/index.htm |
Re: Help for elderly expats
I don't think it's true to say that elderly Spanish people don't get any help from the state (up until recently they didn't, but that has changed because of the Ley de Dependencia). I live in a large town and I see quite a few of my elderly neighbours getting visits from uniformed carers from the local Social Services, doing housework for them, etc.
I don't know what the criteria for eligibility for these services are, but I'm sure EU citizens resident in Spain would be entitled to them if they met the same criteria as a Spaniard - of course you would need a good knowledge of Spanish I imagine, as there are probably reams of forms to be filled in. I do agree with the points made by Jay01 about the advisability of thinking not only of your immediate preferences when selecting a place to live in Spain, but also of your long term needs. I can't drive (although my partner can) but there is no way I would have bought a house in the country as I would have been stuck there if anything happened to him. I was only 50 when we moved here but was determined to be within easy reach of health centres, a hospital, within walking distance of shops, etc. |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 8757196)
You are right, there seems to be lots of help given to elderly people in Spain. No reason why British elderly people can't claim it too! As long as they have someone who can apply and understand the system in Spanish
http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_1/...ales/index.htm Well at least the information is in English so that will help |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Because of the lack of care services in a rapidly changing Spain there have been an increase in cases of elderly abuse in the spanish news. UK isn't great either, I have a relative whose Husband has gone into early dementia (64), he has to be in a special unit and because they have a comfortable sum of money she has to pay.
I have seen a lot on the CDS go from being fit "young" pensioners to not being able to cope anymore. Some have just turned into being a bit weird but one couple I know are more or less housebound. They rely on other ex-pats for shopping etc. another couple was taken back to the UK by their family, she had a stroke (no aftercare here) and was in a 3rd floor apartment with a tiny lift that was always broken...they struggled on for about 2 years trying to sell and never did. They did finally get meals on wheels type slop. Something to think about for the early retirees in their 50's:( |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by Oakhouse Spain
(Post 8757073)
I totally agree but just thought it would be good for people to know that such a service is available and one that helps our elderly expat community
Jo xxx |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by jojojojojo
(Post 8757281)
I know of a few such organisations. Maybe you, like them should advertise at local expat information offices and ayuntamientos
Jo xxx |
Re: Help for elderly expats
The British expat communities in Spain have a vast network of volunteers. like HELP, to help each other, but you still hear of horror stories on a daily basis. We heard of an English couple today, in their early fifties, who run a small business in the campo, but with a few expats around them.
The wife developed a serious illness and the husband provides constant care for her, meaning that he could no longer run their business, or pay their mortgage. She would need an air ambulance to return home, but they can't afford the £14,000 it would cost, nor is there much for them to return home to. There is some Spanish home care available, but it's not enough. You can't plan for every mishap in the future, but living in an expat community helps, and unless you arrive in Spain in your twenties, by the time you get to 50 and need help you will not have sufficient Spanish experience (not just the language) to make use of the assistance that is provided. If you're isolated and don't know the language, there is nothing anyone can do for you. |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by Oakhouse Spain
(Post 8757048)
Is anybody else in agreement that elderly expats here in Spain get a raw deal? lots of the elderly expats that came over in the boom years are now at an age where they might need a bit of help and because they´re famlies are back in the UK they struggle to get help.
Spain offers no real care system for these Brits that have been here years and contributed to the system. They are caught between a rock and a hard place as this is their home but because their family are UK based they struggle getting help and are thus forced to return. Im hoping the over zealous admins arent going to delete this post too!! |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 8758062)
Over zealous mods, they are pussycats now, you would of got your name changed too if one miserable old git was still on here. :rofl:
have to admit I had wondered about the username myself - we shall have to see what tomorrow brings, shan't we! |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 8758062)
Over zealous mods, they are pussycats now, you would of got your name changed too if one miserable old git was still on here. :rofl:
And you think I'm not taking care of that? |
Re: Help for elderly expats
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 8758399)
And you think I'm not taking care of that?
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