Originally Posted by me me (Post 11218524)

I do know all that, we have moved for that very reason............but I thought you had some cunning plan;).......... that nobody had thought of, to wriggle out of your point B problem.:D

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 11218618)

Well statistically I will go first
Ive thought of Cryogenics, but I think I'll go for the Japanese approach, where they found a guy that was about 115 in the back room of a house who had been dead for years, but no one notified the authorities. In that way I can draw my pension forever .............

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 11218376)

I'm assuming that all of us pay tax somewhere, probably the UK before we come to Spain. I'm also assuming that we don't turn a funny colour after 184 days and people jump out of bushes to grab us to pay Spanish taxes. We can't anyway, HMRC need to give us permission to pay our taxes elsewhere, I believe it's quite complicated and needs documentary proof from our new place, Spain in this case.

The recent furore over Osborne's overseas taxes threat relate to British people hiding money in Switzerland, just like good old Barcenas, the significance being that Switzerland is outside the EU and not subject to mutual tax laws within the EU.

The UK and Spain are both EU members and already fully cooperate against tax evaders.

I don't know the answer but does it really matter if a few expat pensioners still pay their tax in the UK even if they've lived in Spain for a few years? It's all in the EU isn't it and Brussels just floats the money around to those that need it most.

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 11218699)

I can see the Python sketch now, a million expats nailed to the cross right along the coast from Valencia to Gibraltar.

I know the song they would be singing.

Originally Posted by Neptuno (Post 11218644)

Yes it does matter- paying tax here is a legal liability, not a choice!
Ex pats abiding by the rules pay cgt on houses they sell in Spain, on isas, lump sums inheritances- why should some get away with not paying?l
Why should some have the hassle of having to submit the 720, and others escape it?
These expats putting a virtual two fingers up to the Spanish tax office need to be flushed out and made to pay what they owe.

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 11218737)

As do the Spaniards that have lived there all their lives, taken everything Spain has to offer, but dont pay their taxes and do business on the black! Greenhouses and stones

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 11218762)

Yup - expats should try to emulate their hosts - it's called integration. Why should they be any different?

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 11218376)

We can't anyway, HMRC need to give us permission to pay our taxes elsewhere, I believe it's quite complicated and needs documentary proof from our new place, Spain in this case.

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 11218376)

I'm assuming that all of us pay tax somewhere, probably the UK before we come to Spain. I'm also assuming that we don't turn a funny colour after 184 days and people jump out of bushes to grab us to pay Spanish taxes. We can't anyway, HMRC need to give us permission to pay our taxes elsewhere, I believe it's quite complicated and needs documentary proof from our new place, Spain in this case.The recent furore over Osborne's overseas taxes threat relate to British people hiding money in Switzerland, just like good old Barcenas, the significance being that Switzerland is outside the EU and not subject to mutual tax laws within the EU.

The UK and Spain are both EU members and already fully cooperate against tax evaders.

I don't know the answer but does it really matter if a few expat pensioners still pay their tax in the UK even if they've lived in Spain for a few years? It's all in the EU isn't it and Brussels just floats the money around to those that need it most.

Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 11218951)

Not complicated at all. You have to complete a form (cannot remember the number) this is about your pensions from the UK, this is then stamped and signed by the hacienda and you send it back to the UK. The form comes with clear instructions and it is in English and Spanish so it has been well thought out.

Rosemary

Originally Posted by tebo53 (Post 11219003)

I have a form entitled: United Kingdom/Spain Double Taxation Convention (SI 1976 Number 1919) Is this the one?

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 11219022)

It used to be called an FD9 iirc, lodged with the tax office (in our case) in Valencia and then forwarded to HMRC in the UK