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Casa Santo Estevo Dec 10th 2009 8:29 am

Grammar? now it is back to school.
 
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5B93LJ20091210

Just when you thought you had it sussed they change the rules.

steviedeluxe Dec 10th 2009 8:32 am

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Believe me, those studying Spanish have it easy compared with German. Plus, they're forever changing the language rules...:unsure:

dmu Dec 10th 2009 9:24 am

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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 8163255)
Plus, they're forever changing the language rules...:unsure:

That's interesting. I knew that there had been a spelling reform several years ago, but didn't know about forever changing language rules. My German dates back a long time. Can you give some examples, so I don't make awful mistakes in the future? Thanks:)

Casa Santo Estevo Dec 10th 2009 9:30 am

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Neither did we...but as this is a Spanish board the post is about the new Spanish rules that it seems everyone will have to learn.

steviedeluxe Dec 10th 2009 9:31 am

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Originally Posted by dmu (Post 8163374)
That's interesting. I knew that there had been a spelling reform several years ago, but didn't know about forever changing language rules. My German dates back a long time. Can you give some examples, so I don't make awful mistakes in the future? Thanks:)

Well perhaps I should have said the spelling reforms have not been accepted by all authorities, so that a little confusion and back-peddling has continued over the last 10 years...


From Wiki...
The German spelling reform of 1996 led to public controversy and considerable dispute. Some state parliaments (Bundesländer) would not accept it (North Rhine Westphalia and Bavaria). The dispute landed at one point in the highest court, which made a short issue of it, claiming that the states had to decide for themselves and that only in schools could the reform be made the official rule—everybody else could continue writing as they had learned it. After 10 years, without any intervention by the federal parliament, a major yet incomplete revision was installed in 2006, just in time for the coming school year. In 2007, some traditional spellings were finally invalidated even though they caused little or no trouble. The only sure and easily recognizable symptom of a text's being in compliance with the reform is the -ss at the end of words, such as dass and muss. Classic spelling forbade this ending, instead using daß and muß. The cause of the controversy evolved around the question of whether a language is part of the culture which must be preserved or a means of communicating information which has to allow for growth.

steviedeluxe Dec 10th 2009 9:32 am

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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 8163379)
Neither did we...but as this is a Spanish board the post is about the new Spanish rules that it seems everyone will have to learn.

Point taken! de acuerdo...

lynnxa Dec 10th 2009 3:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 8163247)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5B93LJ20091210

Just when you thought you had it sussed they change the rules.

well it is a living language, so it's only to be expected I suppose................

cricketman Dec 10th 2009 7:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 8163247)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5B93LJ20091210

Just when you thought you had it sussed they change the rules.

No grammar rules are changing, this book will make no difference if you are learning Spanish in Spain.

It aims to capture all the different variaties of speaking Spanish around the world including the slightly different grammer they'd use in parts of Mexico etc..

This book will only help if you're planning on going to live in the Americas, otherwise stick with a normal Spanish dictionary/grammar book

Casa Santo Estevo Dec 12th 2009 3:55 am

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Cricketman,
All the reports I have read say that there is a new Spanish grammar and that the standards have been taken from all over the Spanish world.

Reading your answer you seem to know more about this new book than any news agency.
Well done on your achievement.

cricketman Dec 13th 2009 5:20 am

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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 8167241)
Cricketman,
All the reports I have read say that there is a new Spanish grammar and that the standards have been taken from all over the Spanish world.

Reading your answer you seem to know more about this new book than any news agency.
Well done on your achievement.

Believe what you want. I followed the link you posted, you misinterpreted what they were saying

I also watched a programme about it the other day. For the first time the official Spanish language dictionary is taking on board the way Latin American speakers use Spanish and their different uses of grammer.

The rules of grammer of Spanish (from Spain) have not changed. The rules of grammer of Spanish that is spoken around the world have indeed changed

I was just saying this will make absolutely no difference to anyone learning Spanish IN SPAIN

jackytoo Dec 13th 2009 5:52 am

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If we are to discuss such a serious topic shouldn't that be grammar:blink:

agoreira Dec 13th 2009 6:14 am

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 8169424)
If we are to discuss such a serious topic shouldn't that be grammar:blink:

Never mind Spanish, some are clearly struggling with English!:rofl:

chulo Dec 13th 2009 6:20 am

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Just cut and paste everything, works great for me.

:rofl:

My spelling may be shite, but at least I don't pretend to be something other than I am and I never pretested anybodies abilities.

Others I'm afraid are less insecure and dishonest.

Or their just a bit mental.;)

agoreira Dec 13th 2009 7:31 am

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Originally Posted by chulo (Post 8169446)

My spelling may be shite,

That's twice now I've found myself agreeing with you!:)


I never pretested anybodies abilities.
Can you try that in Spanish, I might understand what you are trying to say then. I guess you know what you meant.

Lorna at Vicenza Dec 13th 2009 7:36 am

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Originally Posted by chulo (Post 8169446)



My spelling may be shite, but at least I don't pretend to be something other than I am and I never pretested anybodies abilities.

Others I'm afraid are less insecure and dishonest.

Or their just a bit mental.;)

On the spelling, I agree. Could not understand the rest of it.

cricketman Dec 13th 2009 7:50 am

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Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza (Post 8169533)
On the spelling, I agree. Could not understand the rest of it.

Sorry guys, it is grammar, not grammer. Hope it makes you feel good about yourselves, keeping on with these rediculous spelling posts...

It doesnt mean your clever, just anal

cricketman Dec 13th 2009 7:56 am

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Originally Posted by chulo (Post 8169446)
Just cut and paste everything, works great for me.

:rofl:

My spelling may be shite, but at least I don't pretend to be something other than I am and I never pretested anybodies abilities.

Others I'm afraid are less insecure and dishonest.

Or their just a bit mental.;)

And how am I pretending to be someone other than I am?

I made a point I thought it was important to be made because what the OP wrote was misleading.

I only give opinions where I have experience of the matter, I do not simply google search unlike some others. Sometimes I use google to back up an opinion I already held.

agoreira Dec 13th 2009 8:28 am

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Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8169562)
keeping on with these rediculous spelling posts...

Love it! Love it!:rofl:


It doesnt mean your clever,
Perfectly correct, just means they can spell correctly.

chulo Dec 14th 2009 1:32 am

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I have not mentioned any one person, but the few off topic responses seem to indicate to most readers who I refer too.

johnnycakes Dec 22nd 2009 9:34 am

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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 8167241)
Cricketman,
All the reports I have read say that there is a new Spanish grammar and that the standards have been taken from all over the Spanish world.

Reading your answer you seem to know more about this new book than any news agency.
Well done on your achievement.

I love your technique for discrediting completely valid comments. I too shall use unfounded thinly veiled sarcastic comments to discredit whomever opposes my views in the future.

Well done on your achievement.

The only post worth reading in this thread is this one:

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8164348)
No grammar rules are changing, this book will make no difference if you are learning Spanish in Spain.

It aims to capture all the different variaties of speaking Spanish around the world including the slightly different grammer they'd use in parts of Mexico etc..

This book will only help if you're planning on going to live in the Americas, otherwise stick with a normal Spanish dictionary/grammar book

Which is the truth.

chulo Dec 22nd 2009 7:29 pm

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You could apply your first sentence to many people.:lol:

cricketman Dec 22nd 2009 11:39 pm

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Originally Posted by johnnycakes (Post 8192430)

The only post worth reading in this thread is this one:


Which is the truth.

Thanks you for your support. :thumbup:

Ignorant people are always the ones quickest to rubbish other people´s opinions

chulo Dec 23rd 2009 6:26 am

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Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8193563)

Ignorant people are always the ones quickest to rubbish other people´s opinions

Ain't that true.:)

warren d Dec 28th 2009 7:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 8167241)
the standards have been taken from all over the Spanish world.

I didn't know they still had an empire?


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