Originally Posted by MikeJ (Post 11070257)

I always felt - as an ex Telecom Engineer - that moving from satellite back to copper (or fibre if you are really lucky) was a retrograde step. With the best will in the world a physical tube will have bandwidth limitations, particularly if you have to share it with half of Madrid! Satellite has no such restrictions and although expensive in set up costs should always perform better in terms of quality. For the user like me who doesn't have a fixed ground line and wouldn't want to pay 12 months for something I might use for 3 months then it's a no-brainer.
IMHO - and this is borne out in spades by the posts on this and other similar threads - is that the rush back to IPTV is about controlling the service delivery in order to extract even more money fron the poor old consumer - who ends up with a lower quality poduct at a much higher cost.

Originally Posted by andyrich666 (Post 11070367)

I not accepting that, you can have a 100mb line and still get buffering if the servers are being hammered.

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 11070317)

Nowadays, computers are designed for different purposes. There is the Home computer for general use, the business computer for office work, and the Games computer which is designed to handle high speed graphics, making it eminently suitable for internet TV use .
You cannot expect the poor old "workhorse" home computer (which most people have), or the business computer, to handle the high speed graphics of modern games, or internet TV.

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11070241)

The guy is right.

We still receive everything on satellite with strong signal. HD and all.

I will re-iterate that we also have all the holy internet tv so many are trying to sell you on the presumption of "goodbye sky tv". No, not from some unnecessary subscription service, but using regular old smart tvs and widely available inexpensive internet tv boxes, which work very well, but we use only occasionally for playing downloaded movies.

With the benefit of have both to compare, I can confidently say that considering ease of use, simplicity, reliability, and quality, satellite is quite obviously still far better than receiving TV over broadband. If you can get sat kit sufficient to receive UK tv, you'll be much happier with it. In our neighbourhood, the kit isn't so expensive either.




On the other hand, all these scare tactics by those with a vested interest in selling you what you can otherwise have for nil might just flood the market with perfectly good used satellite kit for peanuts.

Originally Posted by BAT7311 (Post 11070492)

??? the current servers we use (and include EUROPA) can have 25,000 customers ...in two weeks they will be upgraded to over 100,000 ...

in the same area TELEFONICA SAU have servers for 2,500,000 people who are currently on IPTV in spain ....

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11070479)

Again I'm sure you're right.

Unfortunately, internet speed and reliability are outside my sphere of control (and I'd rather not be bothered with doing so), and equipment is wide and varied and can't be relied on to be the "right" one.

In contrast, any €25 satellite receiver just works every time. You can buy a more posh freesat or sky box/subscription if you choose, and it also "just works" everytime (as long as you have a suitable antenna installed) instead of futzing around with technogoggery that in many cases is beyond your control and delivers obviously lower quality anyway

If you can get satellite kit that receives UK tv, it's (still) by far the best solution. Othetwise you're faced with a confusing array of less desirable solutions.

Originally Posted by BAT7311 (Post 11070504)

in portugal a 2.4m €3000 dish

Originally Posted by BAT7311 (Post 11070504)

i totally agree .... but in tenerife you need a 5m €8000 dish for BBC ,in portugal a 2.4m €3000 dish ,in costa del sol a 1.9m dish
€600...etc and IPTV is a small box with a remote control bbc1 is on 1,bbc2 is on 2 etc my oldest customer is 89 in a wheelchair and sometimes falls asleep and loves the fact he can go back to anywhere in the program and watch it again ... all for 4 pound a week...

Originally Posted by The Guy (Post 11070528)

which is more double what it they cost in the CB area of Spain to supply and install...which is even weird when Famaval, who make one of the more popular 2.4m dishes, is based in Portugal. So either that price is incorrect, or the installers are making a huge profit on it.

And for some people in some areas they will have to weigh up the cost of "4 pound a week" / £208 per year vs the cost of a dish and subscription free tv for the next 10-15years (expected life span of these new satellites)

Originally Posted by BAT7311 (Post 11070504)

i totally agree .... but in tenerife you need a 5m €8000 dish for BBC ,in portuga a 2.4m €3000 dish ,in canyon del sol a 1.9m dish
€600...etc and IPTV is a small box with a remote control bbc1 is on 1,bbc2 is on 2 etc my oldest customer is 89 in a wheelchair and sometimes falls asleep and loves the fact he can go back to anywhere in the program and watch it again ... all for 4 pound a week...

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11070737)

Funny you should mentioned it, I have all that too. But I dont pay one cent for it, and I'm not stealing it either nor defrauding anyone to get it. All perfectly legal. Both on sat and internet.

But yes, in those areas where sufficient satellite kit is cost prohibitive, you can only hope you can get supercharged internet that works all the time, and have the patience and skillset to successfully set up a workable iptv system.

Edit: I had Telefonica TV once. Never worked for more than a few hours.

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11070765)

Sorry BAT your vested interest in selling IPTV is getting too much to take.
It is total B******ks to suggest you need a 5m dish in PT.
Above a lne from Lisbon northwards there has been no change to UK TV reception with astra 2f and none expected with 2e.
Below that is still unknown but dishes of 2.5 have been installed and again are receiving astra 2f.
On the Algarve coast we still do not know but a Sat based solution is still the preferred option due to the poor internet coverage.
To date among those we know or have heard from IPTV take up is minimal.
One reason like you those selling IPTV are being far from truthfull with their predictions.

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11070765)

Sorry BAT your vested interest in selling IPTV is getting too much to take.
It is total B******ks to suggest you need a 2.4m dish in PT.
Above a line from Lisbon northwards there has been no change to UK TV reception with astra 2f and none expected with 2e.
Below that is still unknown but dishes of 2.5 have been installed and again are receiving astra 2f.
On the Algarve coast we still do not know but a Sat based solution is still the preferred option due to the poor internet coverage.
To date among those we know or have heard from IPTV take up is minimal.
One reason like you those selling IPTV are being far from truthfull with their predictions.

Originally Posted by andyrich666 (Post 11070809)

Not just predictions but misleading people of the costs too