Gibraltar 2
Nov 19th 2018, 11:58 am
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If Spain had raised sovereignty at talks, the Gibraltar delegation would have walked out, says Spanish negotiator
http://www.gibraltarpanorama.gi/160596
http://www.gibraltarpanorama.gi/160596
Following the release of the EU withdrawal agreement, the Spanish foreign ministry in Madrid has come out saying that the Spanish claim to Gibraltar remains and that the co-sovereignty plan will be put forward in the next phase of negotiations.
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Nov 19th 2018, 3:56 pm
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Re: Gibraltar 2
and our reply will always be limited to two words one of which will be off
If Spain had raised sovereignty at talks, the Gibraltar delegation would have walked out, says Spanish negotiator
If Spain had raised sovereignty at talks, the Gibraltar delegation would have walked out, says Spanish negotiator Gibraltar Panorama
If Spain had raised sovereignty at talks, the Gibraltar delegation would have walked out, says Spanish negotiator Gibraltar Panorama
Following the release of the EU withdrawal agreement, the Spanish foreign ministry in Madrid has come out saying that the Spanish claim to Gibraltar remains and that the co-sovereignty plan will be put forward in the next phase of negotiations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wKH4hL4y9Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wKH4hL4y9Ko
Nov 20th 2018, 8:33 am
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The UK Government insisted yesterday that it will not exclude Gibraltar from negotiations on the future relationship between the UK and the European Union, after Spain demanded a veto on the next phase of the Brexit negotiations even before the divorce deal was rubber-stamped.Speaking to reporters in Brussels, Spanish Foreign Minister Josep Borrell said Spain wanted the withdrawal text to make clear that future negotiations on ties between Brussels and post-Brexit Britain were separate from those on Gibraltar’s future relationship with the EU, which he said must be first agreed by London and Madrid. “Future negotiations on Gibraltar are separate negotiations. And that is what needs to be made clear,” Mr Borrell said.
“Until it is clear … we will not be able to give our agreement.”
UK ‘will not exclude Gibraltar’ from future deal with EU - Gibraltar Chronicle
“Until it is clear … we will not be able to give our agreement.”
UK ‘will not exclude Gibraltar’ from future deal with EU - Gibraltar Chronicle
Nov 20th 2018, 9:36 am
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The UK’s Armed Forces Minister, Mark Lancaster, reaffirmed the strategic importance of Gibraltar for UK defence at the signing ceremony for the Armed Forces (Gibraltar) Act onboard HMS Diamond this weekend.
https://www.yourgibraltartv.com/poli...-to-uk-defence
https://www.yourgibraltartv.com/poli...-to-uk-defence
Nov 20th 2018, 2:47 pm
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Unlike NI all the time we have been in the Common Market / EU we have had a hard frontier
However we have never resorted to shooting, bombing or kneecapping our neighbours.We just get on with life trading across the frontier, inviting workers across plus exchanging medical cases, schooling etc.
Prior to having this hard frontier it was closed!! on our neighbours side.
However we have never resorted to shooting, bombing or kneecapping our neighbours.We just get on with life trading across the frontier, inviting workers across plus exchanging medical cases, schooling etc.
Prior to having this hard frontier it was closed!! on our neighbours side.
Nov 20th 2018, 7:11 pm
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Nov 20th 2018, 10:19 pm
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That’s a pretty comprehensive reply. I’m impressed!
Is that the best you can do? It was a serious question.
Experience? So you can remember what it was like when it was part of Spain over 200 years ago. If so I am even more impressed.
Is that the best you can do? It was a serious question.
Experience? So you can remember what it was like when it was part of Spain over 200 years ago. If so I am even more impressed.
Nov 20th 2018, 10:27 pm
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Would 99% of Spanish want to be "absorbed" into France?
Nov 21st 2018, 9:48 am
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315 years of broken treaties
315 years of broken agreements
315 years of abuse
315 years fishing incursions
Years of blockades
13 years recently of a closed frontier
A hard frontier since December 1982
We look over the " fence" and daily witness the corruption.
Armed police regularly violating our territory both land and sea including shots being fired.
Prejudice in world politics.
Recently the refusal to allow us to the negotiating table.
Etc. etc.
Easily summed up in one word EXPERIENCE.
315 years of broken agreements
315 years of abuse
315 years fishing incursions
Years of blockades
13 years recently of a closed frontier
A hard frontier since December 1982
We look over the " fence" and daily witness the corruption.
Armed police regularly violating our territory both land and sea including shots being fired.
Prejudice in world politics.
Recently the refusal to allow us to the negotiating table.
Etc. etc.
Easily summed up in one word EXPERIENCE.
Nov 21st 2018, 12:48 pm
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Perhaps they don't see themselves as Spanish, like the Spanish don't see themselves as French.
Nov 21st 2018, 6:10 pm
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Yes, I am well aware of the subjective, historic and personal reasons, but my question put another way, is what are the objective reasons for not wanting to be a part of Spain, like higher taxes (I assume).
Surely, freedom of movement must be an improvement over the current border situation, which is something the UK could lose.
Surely, freedom of movement must be an improvement over the current border situation, which is something the UK could lose.
