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Old May 18th 2022, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by SanNico
If I do understand the what's the issue? A day tripper from UK to France would get a stamp in their passport and have to meet one of the 3 requirements as well.
Main thing is Spain (and France) can ask for nothing or proof of one, two, or all three requirements. If Spain decide to ask for all three things then that pretty much brings day tripping from Gibraltar to Spain and back again to an end if you're not an EU citizen/resident and you're not a Gibraltarian.

And if you're a general transiting though Spain to get to a base in Portugal you've got to get on to your embassy in Spain and tell them to do the paperwork.
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Originally Posted by growinspain
The "yanks" as you call them will never leave Spain... Plus, the "rock" could not handle the influx unless they create more land and I do not see that happening.

You are not even from the UK? all this gibberish about your home...
I was born and lived my early years close to the Peak District

As for the Yanks, wait and see

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Originally Posted by SanNico
To be sure I understood as my trip includes residents and EU residents outside of Spain and non-EU residents with UK and American passports :

Spanish residents - OK but I would probably need to show my passport and get it stamped.
Gib residents with a red card - OK and no passport stamp required.
Gib residents with a blue card and non EU passport - Prove they meet one of the 3 requirements mentioned above, show passport and get it stamped.
Gib residents with a blue card and EU passport - Show passport, get it stamped, no need to prove anything.
EU residents - Show passport, get it stamped, no need to prove anything.
Non-EU residents - Show passport, get it stamped and meet one of the 3 requirements mentioned above.

If I do understand the what's the issue? A day tripper from UK to France would get a stamp in their passport and have to meet one of the 3 requirements as well. Just the same as someone crossing in and out of the Schengen zone or any land border anywhere else outside the Schengen zone. For example, USA to Canada or Mexico. Every time I visit the UK we have to meet the requirements as my better half has a non EU and non UK passport.

I'm assuming Brexit has nothing to do with this otherwise Gib would have been a hot spot for migrants to get a visa to enter Gib and then do a runner in to the EU and vice versa.
A person from Spain with Spanish ID requires only their ID document to exit Spain and enter Gibraltar
There are no requirements/checks to exit Gibraltar by the land frontier, only to enter Spain.
Thousands of Spanish residents do this daily to work in Gib.

Please note that most Moroccans/Indians/Pakistani's etc. living in Gib would not be allowed to enter Spain with the exception of those that have taken up British nationality

Yesterday I booked a ferry trip from Dover to Calais, at no time was anything required other than to pay and produce my passport.

Please note all the problems are on the Spanish side of the frontier
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OK, for me it's OK then. In practice is this really affecting anyone? It sounds to me like someone has taken a look at the rules and found some sources who claim to have been affected, using the American Military story as their foundation.
You should never be asked for any more than payment at the time of booking any overseas trip so the French are taking things a little too far if you had to produce your passport to book a ferry trip. You book your trip, then it's up to you to ensure you comply with the law. Just as the imaginary Benidorm tourists with unexpired invalid passports have found out, reported constantly in the Daily Mirror.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
A person from Spain with Spanish ID requires only their ID document to exit Spain and enter Gibraltar
There are no requirements/checks to exit Gibraltar by the land frontier, only to enter Spain.
Thousands of Spanish residents do this daily to work in Gib.

Please note that most Moroccans/Indians/Pakistani's etc. living in Gib would not be allowed to enter Spain with the exception of those that have taken up British nationality

Yesterday I booked a ferry trip from Dover to Calais, at no time was anything required other than to pay and produce my passport.

Please note all the problems are on the Spanish side of the frontier
But you're comparing the same things and then saying Spain's in the wrong.

A Spanish person with a DNI can enter Gibraltar, the same as a Gibraltarian with a Gibraltarian ID entering Spain.

A Spanish person entering the UK must enter with a passport and have it stamped and may be asked for proof, it's the same as a British person entering Spain must have their passport stamped and may be asked for proof. Also, did you hear the one about the EU citizens wrongly held in detention instead of being turned around and put on the next flight back?

A Filipino resident in Spain can't enter Gibraltar with just a TIE or even a TIE and passport without a visa. It's the same as a Moroccan/Indian/Pakistani resident in Gibraltar trying to enter Spain with their Gibraltarian residency card or residency card and passport without a visa.

Literally everything is the same. You're comparing exit checks with entry checks as if that proves some point. It doesn't.
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We are frequent visitors to Gibraltar and I've had no problems with entry/exit using my Irish passport or my passport card which is like an ID card. My British partner piggy backs off my EU status and gets through easily too although they do have to show EU residency papers. So far they have not had their passport stamped.

The British voted to be treated like third country nationals, no?
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But you're comparing the same things and then saying Spain's in the wrong.

A Spanish person with a DNI can enter Gibraltar, the same as a Gibraltarian with a Gibraltarian ID entering Spain.

A Spanish person entering the UK must enter with a passport and have it stamped and may be asked for proof, it's the same as a British person entering Spain must have their passport stamped and may be asked for proof. Also, did you hear the one about the EU citizens wrongly held in detention instead of being turned around and put on the next flight back?

A Filipino resident in Spain can't enter Gibraltar with just a TIE or even a TIE and passport without a visa. It's the same as a Moroccan/Indian/Pakistani resident in Gibraltar trying to enter Spain with their Gibraltarian residency card or residency card and passport without a visa.

Literally everything is the same. You're comparing exit checks with entry checks as if that proves some point. It doesn't.
Anyone with a current valid passport can enter Gibraltar via the frontier so long as they can exit Spain, no one needs a visa.


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Originally Posted by Lou71
We are frequent visitors to Gibraltar and I've had no problems with entry/exit using my Irish passport or my passport card which is like an ID card. My British partner piggy backs off my EU status and gets through easily too although they do have to show EU residency papers. So far they have not had their passport stamped.

The British voted to be treated like third country nationals, no?
To whom do they have to show EU residency papers?
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To whom do they have to show EU residency papers?
They show their residency papers to the Spanish border force which is what I would expect.

When you (British) voted Leave, you voted to be a third country and lose your freedom of movement which means more stringent checks at EU borders.

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Originally Posted by Lou71
They show their residency papers to the Spanish border force which is what I would expect.

When you (British) voted Leave, you voted to be a third country and lose your freedom of movement which means more stringent checks at EU borders.
Lou are you saying it's because your partner has Portuguese residency papers that he/she can move around freely and does not get the passport stamped. What happens when ETIAS comes into force?
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Anyone with a current valid passport can enter Gibraltar via the frontier so long as they can exit Spain, no one needs a visa.
You'd better tell your government that.

Also: There are no covid restrictions when entering via the land border. Passports, EU ID cards and in some cases visas are required to enter Gibraltar.

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Lou are you saying it's because your partner has Portuguese residency papers that he/she can move around freely and does not get the passport stamped. What happens when ETIAS comes into force?
My partner does sometimes have their passport stamped at airports (depends on the border guard) but not when entering Spain from Gibraltar. I believe that (a) having an EU partner and (b) EU residency makes like much easier for third country nationals but it is never going to be as good as being a proper EU national.

ETIAS and EES will only apply to third country nationals, not EU nationals or EU residents. I think partners of EU nationals will have to go through EES at borders.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Perhaps you can explain this Olive Branch



Someone in UK can move to Gibraltar and ship their belongings overland to Gibraltar
However someone in Gibraltar who wants to move to UK can only transport their belongings to UK by sea freight.
Even though the truck in the first instance returns overland to the UK

It would appear that this so called Union of Europe has different rules in Spain and France

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Whilst there have been a number of posts on what happens to persons trying to leave or enter Spain at the Gibraltar frontier nobody has attempted to explain the so called olive branch about this discrepancy over goods / freight

In fact the only freight I am aware of that is leaving Gibraltar is our rubbish for which the Spanish are paid handsomely. This is goes to Sur Europa, a landfill site in Los Barrios, Spain.
This arrangement came into force after Spain complained about our state of the art Dutch designed solid waste incinerator.
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Appologies it would appear that there are still some visa requirements.

However I am baffled by them
They seem to apply to citizens of Russia, China, Mongolia and Morroco

Whilst there are a number of Russians in Gib there are lots of Morrocans many of whom came to our rescue after Spain closed the frontier in 1969.

A situation that may arise again.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Whilst there have been a number of posts on what happens to persons trying to leave or enter Spain at the Gibraltar frontier nobody has attempted to explain the so called olive branch about this discrepancy over goods / freight

In fact the only freight I am aware of that is leaving Gibraltar is our rubbish for which the Spanish are paid handsomely. This is goes to Sur Europa, a landfill site in Los Barrios, Spain.
This arrangement came into force after Spain complained about our state of the art Dutch designed solid waste incinerator.
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