Gibraltar 2
#1171
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Indeed, right to self determination is important in Gibraltar, as in Northern Ireland, but I still see it as a colony. I'm not saying that as a negative thing, just an observation. Same as Northern Ireland. I'm not one of those people who refuse to recognise Nothern Ireland, but it's essentially a colony to me.
#1172
Re: Gibraltar 2
Indeed, right to self determination is important in Gibraltar, as in Northern Ireland, but I still see it as a colony. I'm not saying that as a negative thing, just an observation. Same as Northern Ireland. I'm not one of those people who refuse to recognise Nothern Ireland, but it's essentially a colony to me.
#1173
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Re: Gibraltar 2
Neither could be classed as "colonies" but Wales,at present,possibly could be termed "principality" as it does not have it's own Parliament,unlike Gib.
#1175
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Re: Gibraltar 2
And Wales has the Welsh Assembly, which has the least number of devolved power than their Scottish or NI equivalents.
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#1176
Re: Gibraltar 2
Gibraltar is a self governing British Overseas Territory. Nuff said.
#1177
Re: Gibraltar 2
REVENGE: Spain to turn screws on Gibraltar
The Spanish government has decided to turn the screws on Gibraltar, and already a toughening of its position has become evident.The revenge comes after 33 years, they say in Spain, as the Spanish had to cede much about Gibraltar in its application to join Europe. There was a country that turned the screws on Spain then, that was the UK. Now, Spain prepares its revenge.
REVENGE: Spain to turn screws on Gibraltar | Gibraltar Panorama
#1178
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Human and animal footprints in Gibraltar dunes
The sand sheets in the rampant dunes above Catalan Bay are a relic of the last glaciation, when sea level was up to 120 metres below present levels and a great field of dunes extended eastwards from the base of the Rock. The identified footprints correspond to species which are known, from fossil material, to have inhabited Gibraltar. The identified footprints correspond to Red Deer, Ibex, Aurochs, Leopard and Straight-tusked Elephant. In addition the scientists have found the footprint of a young human (106-126 cm in height), possibly Neanderthal, which dates to around 29 thousand years ago. It would coincide with late Neanderthal dates from Gorhamās Cave.Human and animal footprints in Gibraltar dunes | Gibraltar Panorama
#1179
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Re: Gibraltar 2
I'm not one of those who refuses to say "Northern Ireland", and only says "the north" or "the north of Ireland". As in, it's obviously part of the UK, or the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" to be precise. Would I like to see a united Ireland one day? Yes, if the people living there were in favour, then yes.
Other than that, I fully accept it's part of the UK/Great Britain, the same as Gibraltar.
I have no issue with anyone in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar who think of themselves as British as someone in Somerset, though I wouldn't really agree with that viewpoint.
Is Gibraltar thought of as a bit of England in the sun?
Just look at the map of Ireland, and the border. Does that look like it's not a colony to you?
I'm not an nationalist either. As some politician once said, you can't eat a flag. But since the DUP have reared their heads since the Brexit vote, it's pretty funny how a lot of people in the UK, in positions of power are clueless about Northern Ireland.
Colony: "A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country."
Some Scottish and Welsh might feel that they are colonised.
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#1180
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Re: Gibraltar 2
Scotland had their chance a few years ago.
#1181
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Never mind You are getting out of Europe. You can dig up Queen Victoria and put her back on the throne and live in the illusion that you are still "Top Nation". Meanwhile the rest of the world can get on with theiur lives and ignore the delusional British Empire Loyalists !
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#1182
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Re: Gibraltar 2
REVENGE: Spain to turn screws on Gibraltar
The Spanish government has decided to turn the screws on Gibraltar, and already a toughening of its position has become evident.
The revenge comes after 33 years, they say in Spain, as the Spanish had to cede much about Gibraltar in its application to join Europe. There was a country that turned the screws on Spain then, that was the UK. Now, Spain prepares its revenge.
REVENGE: Spain to turn screws on Gibraltar | Gibraltar Panorama
The Spanish government has decided to turn the screws on Gibraltar, and already a toughening of its position has become evident.
The revenge comes after 33 years, they say in Spain, as the Spanish had to cede much about Gibraltar in its application to join Europe. There was a country that turned the screws on Spain then, that was the UK. Now, Spain prepares its revenge.
REVENGE: Spain to turn screws on Gibraltar | Gibraltar Panorama
It's almost as hilarious as loyalists in Northern Ireland using loaded language to somehow state their "culture" is under attack by Brussels and Dublin, most of whom wouldn't be able to point out Brussels on a map.
#1183
Re: Gibraltar 2
Not wanting to go off topic, but where did I say I was wrong? I said that I think Gibraltar and Northern Ireland are colonies. Ireland was colonised by the British. What other word could you use?
I'm not one of those who refuses to say "Northern Ireland", and only says "the north" or "the north of Ireland". As in, it's obviously part of the UK, or the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" to be precise. Would I like to see a united Ireland one day? Yes, if the people living there were in favour, then yes.
Other than that, I fully accept it's part of the UK/Great Britain, the same as Gibraltar.
I have no issue with anyone in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar who think of themselves as British as someone in Somerset, though I wouldn't really agree with that viewpoint.
Is Gibraltar thought of as a bit of England in the sun?
Just look at the map of Ireland, and the border. Does that look like it's not a colony to you?
I'm not an nationalist either. As some politician once said, you can't eat a flag. But since the DUP have reared their heads since the Brexit vote, it's pretty funny how a lot of people in the UK, in positions of power are clueless about Northern Ireland.
Colony: "A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country."
Some Scottish and Welsh might feel that they are colonised.
I'm not one of those who refuses to say "Northern Ireland", and only says "the north" or "the north of Ireland". As in, it's obviously part of the UK, or the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" to be precise. Would I like to see a united Ireland one day? Yes, if the people living there were in favour, then yes.
Other than that, I fully accept it's part of the UK/Great Britain, the same as Gibraltar.
I have no issue with anyone in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar who think of themselves as British as someone in Somerset, though I wouldn't really agree with that viewpoint.
Is Gibraltar thought of as a bit of England in the sun?
Just look at the map of Ireland, and the border. Does that look like it's not a colony to you?
I'm not an nationalist either. As some politician once said, you can't eat a flag. But since the DUP have reared their heads since the Brexit vote, it's pretty funny how a lot of people in the UK, in positions of power are clueless about Northern Ireland.
Colony: "A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country."
Some Scottish and Welsh might feel that they are colonised.
You persistently ignoring the facts is enormously disrespectful to Gibraltar and plays into Spanish ambitions to steal it back.
#1184
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Re: Gibraltar 2
You repeated the false statement that Gibraltar and NI are are colonies- which is just WRONG. Look up a definition. Gibraltar is populated by Gibraltarians, very few of whom are descended from English settlers (although Spain would have you believe otherwise.). So you cannot say that Gib is populated by a colony of English settlers - nor is administered from London (except for foreign relations and defence) so on both those counts it does not meet the definition of a colony.
You persistently ignoring the facts is enormously disrespectful to Gibraltar and plays into Spanish ambitions to steal it back.
You persistently ignoring the facts is enormously disrespectful to Gibraltar and plays into Spanish ambitions to steal it back.
If you believe that Northern Irieland isnāt a colony then Iād ask you why?
#1185
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Ok then. Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are areas that were originally colonized by the British. Perhaps there arenāt any descendants in Gibraltar now but I still see it as a colony. I donāt agree with Spain wanting to āstealā it back. If itās not a colony why would they want to steal it ābackā?
If you believe that Northern Irieland isnāt a colony then Iād ask you why?
Gibraltar was ceded to England by the treaty of Utrecht at which time it became a British possession and was garrisoned with British troops. As it was a safe haven for many peoples from all over the Mediterranean area including Spain it soon became populated by a multicultural and multiracial community. At no time was it "colonised" as you put it (note it's colonised with an s not a z)
I am not going to continue banging my head against a wall trying to educate an ignoramus so you can have the last word!