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Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9909872)
:rofl:
I'd rather they give them to families and young people who are in need of decent housing The problem is you would be talking about the state seizing private assets. Unless the state was able to buy then at a hugely subsidised rate from the banks Giving homes away? Dangerous commie talk! ;) |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9909872)
:rofl:
I'd rather they give them to families and young people who are in need of decent housing The problem is you would be talking about the state seizing private assets. Unless the state was able to buy then at a hugely subsidised rate from the banks Do you have a downer on young families :rofl::rofl::rofl: As I said earlier, convert it to a prison, better still bulldoze it. |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by bob_bob
(Post 9910147)
You can't put young families in a place like that, the whole thing looks like a purpose built slum/ghetto, I can't believe anyone thought that would look good:thumbdown:
Do you have a downer on young families :rofl::rofl::rofl: As I said earlier, convert it to a prison, better still bulldoze it. You would be surprised that some flats that look quite bad on the outside, will be nicely laid out and good spacious family homes on the inside. With unlimited money I would always choose a luxury flat over a detatched house, and most of the Spanish people I know would. |
Re: Ghose town
I've had nice flats and by no means look down on flats/apartments but those Spanish ones are not nice. I'm giving very serious thought to one at the moment in Cardiff Bay, three beds well appointed wonderful views and may make a good buy to rent (for a while) if he'll come down another 15K but its in a different league to the ghost town flats.
Could the local authority take the development over?, make a sort of housing estate and rent out to low income/out of work families? Rescue the buildings, make it a social project. |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by bob_bob
(Post 9910323)
I've had nice flats and by no means look down on flats/apartments but those Spanish ones are not nice. I'm giving very serious thought to one at the moment in Cardiff Bay, three beds well appointed wonderful views and may make a good buy to rent (for a while) if he'll come down another 15K but its in a different league to the ghost town flats.
Could the local authority take the development over?, make a sort of housing estate and rent out to low income/out of work families? Rescue the buildings, make it a social project. |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9909872)
:rofl:
I'd rather they give them to families and young people who are in need of decent housing The problem is you would be talking about the state seizing private assets. Unless the state was able to buy then at a hugely subsidised rate from the banks but more importantly whichever country you are talking about NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE THERE ! ! ! there are no shops, no buses, no trains, no police, no hospitals etc - absolutely NO SUPPORT FACILITIES !! In Cape Town they closed down the old slum area called Sector 6 and moved all the occupants 20+ miles away to a new area called SOEWETO, look what happened there. Spain built an airport at Ciudad Real, with an AVE station on the side, except the train people didnt want to stop there (if effected their times), no one wanted to work there, no one wanted to land there because they had no facilities, no other transport - just a waste of money. In 50yrs time it will be a dust blown ghost town and Tony Robinson will be including it in a TimeTeam special on Planning Cockups ! ! |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9910961)
first of all the British Govt owns most of the banks, and should be looking for a commercial return on OUR MONEY that was lent without our permission.
but more importantly whichever country you are talking about NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE THERE ! ! ! there are no shops, no buses, no trains, no police, no hospitals etc - absolutely NO SUPPORT FACILITIES !! In Cape Town they closed down the old slum area called Sector 6 and moved all the occupants 20+ miles away to a new area called SOEWETO, look what happened there. Spain built an airport at Ciudad Real, with an AVE station on the side, except the train people didnt want to stop there (if effected their times), no one wanted to work there, no one wanted to land there because they had no facilities, no other transport - just a waste of money. In 50yrs time it will be a dust blown ghost town and Tony Robinson will be including it in a TimeWatch special on Planning Cockups ! ! The British government doesn't own Spanish banks :rofl: The original plans were to have the support services all in the town itself, but since they havent sold the flats they havent been able to put them in |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9910968)
What?
The British government doesn't own Spanish banks :rofl: The original plans were to have the support services all in the town itself, but since they havent sold the flats they havent been able to put them in never seen the "promises" made in the Costa's about pools, grassed walkways, services that have never been kept ! ? ! If you build a "fun place to be" without the infrastructure at the same time then it will never come about !! It happens all over the world. In the UK we had a huge estate that was occupied over 10 years ago and they have only just got round to building a school. In the meantime the poor kids had to be bussed across the town, adding to the traffic problems with mums on the kids run before going to work etc etc. It does not work. Build a new town, build the facilities or it will become a ghost town Simples - even for you. |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9910980)
Simples - even for you.
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Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9910999)
Yes very simple, when the developers who were building the town have already gone bust
it is always Homes First, Second, Third support facilities will come in the fullness of time. why build a whole estate - and fill it - without a school?? (the one they have now built is too small and has got to have a large extension) why build a whole estate - and fill it - without a shop?? (Tesco's are 2.5miles by road) why build a whole estate - and fill it - without a doctor's?? that is direct UK experience, and it has happened in Spain as well in more than one place. the politicians, beaureaucrats, planners, builders etc should be forced to build the infrastructure along with the homes. builders know they have to sell to stay alive, no sales no company again Simples |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9907582)
At the end of that YouTube clip the commentator said that 'Spanish people tend to be a bit lazy and corrupt, and as long as they had the Peseta to devalue, they got away with it'.
I would have agreed with his words if he had added 'some' before the word Spanish. For example, when children of any culture are raised in an abusive environment, they typically become abusive in adulthood. Same applies for those raised in environments promoting entitlement, corruption, nepotism, and deflection of responsibility. It's no surprise, then, that the latest generation of societies who have been raised in such environments increasingly appear to exhibit some of the same characteristics. Today's common expectation of "entitlement" without the need for sacrifice or contribution ("I'm entitled! - it's someone else's problem/fault, not my responsibility"), and the resulting jealousy and spite for those who were astute enough to assume responsibility, and now enjoy the benefits of their sacrifices and contributions - are among the common character traits which come to mind these days. |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 9916714)
Social behaviours are more often the result of the institutions and ideologies which govern them, rather than linked to a specific culture, nationality or race.
For example, when children of any culture are raised in an abusive environment, they typically become abusive in adulthood. Same applies for those raised in environments promoting entitlement, corruption, nepotism, and deflection of responsibility. It's no surprise, then, that the latest generation of societies who have been raised in such environments increasingly appear to exhibit some of the same characteristics. Today's common expectation of "entitlement" without the need for sacrifice or contribution ("I'm entitled! - it's someone else's problem/fault, not my responsibility"), and the resulting jealousy and spite for those who were astute enough to assume responsibility, and now enjoy the benefits of their sacrifices and contributions - are among the common character traits which come to mind these days. But what the xxxx are you talking about? |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9917542)
I hesitate to reply, and I'm not generally a rude person, and I love to observe human behaviour, at any level; I revel in the unexpected, I've read War and Peace (with difficulty), I regret having been rude to Lush Daddy, I worry about the pound Sterling, and the Ghost towns around where I live.
But what the xxxx are you talking about? |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9917578)
Take a bit more water with it H. You are rambling, no regrets remember.....:)
I was 12 stone four, in 1974. I suppose you're going to insult me now by calling me an old boy. I don't mind, when you're off the vino, you can be a nice guy, when you're on it, you're like the rest of us, a nasty piece of work. |
Re: Ghose town
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9917687)
Take a bit more water with it? You're a silly sod, my Spanish diet allows me two whiskeys a week and I'm choking on fish and salad. I'm allowed strawberries and yoghurt, and I'm getting close to my fighting weight.
I was 12 stone four, in 1974. I suppose you're going to insult me now by calling me an old boy. I don't mind, when you're off the vino, you can be a nice guy, when you're on it, you're like the rest of us, a nasty piece of work. A real pheasant plucker................you sound like you have been possessed by another poster.... |
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