Freedom of Movement After 29 March
Feb 14th 2019, 5:02 pm
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Feb 14th 2019, 5:41 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
Says the person who’s only contribution to the thread is ‘ Sad’.
At least I speak from a position of having lived in Europe prior to Schengen. What would your experience be? Do you really think it is going to be so hard to move between countries? Have you ever travelled outside of Europe and seen how ridiculously easy it is? Or is your travel limited to Spain Post Schengen?
By the way I am not agreeing with the folk in the video despite their views. And even if I did I wouldn’t be so rude as to call them thick and stupid.
It was a vote and their vote counted.
At least I speak from a position of having lived in Europe prior to Schengen. What would your experience be? Do you really think it is going to be so hard to move between countries? Have you ever travelled outside of Europe and seen how ridiculously easy it is? Or is your travel limited to Spain Post Schengen?
By the way I am not agreeing with the folk in the video despite their views. And even if I did I wouldn’t be so rude as to call them thick and stupid.
It was a vote and their vote counted.
Feb 14th 2019, 5:50 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
It’s not so much freedom of movement that could change, its the freedom to stay put.
Yes, many of us have all travelled around Europe before the EU with no real problems. Under EU laws we have been restricted to only staying in one country for 90 days without some form of registration. This rule was optional, and some countries, especially the UK, chose not to implement it and we all now know what problems that has created. In Spain, although, in theory, these do apply they are (not yet) enforced to any degree.
After Brexit, especially with a No Deal, this could change significantly as the 90 day rule is more likely to be enforced and the rule for “third country” citizens is that, under the Shengen rules, you can only stay for 90 days in a 180 day period. That somewhat screws up the plans of those Brits that retire to their holiday homes for 6 months in the winter. Yes, the EU rules do, in theory, limit you to 90 days, but by leaving the country for a day trip to Portugal, the clock is reset. As this is impossible to check or enforce, people generally stay as long as they like. The 180 day rule could change this.
Of course, individual EU states can change these rules, as the UK have done in the past, so no doubt Spain will take the pragmatic view (as they often do) that they are happy for the Brits to stay as long as they like, so long as they keep spending money.
We will see.
Yes, many of us have all travelled around Europe before the EU with no real problems. Under EU laws we have been restricted to only staying in one country for 90 days without some form of registration. This rule was optional, and some countries, especially the UK, chose not to implement it and we all now know what problems that has created. In Spain, although, in theory, these do apply they are (not yet) enforced to any degree.
After Brexit, especially with a No Deal, this could change significantly as the 90 day rule is more likely to be enforced and the rule for “third country” citizens is that, under the Shengen rules, you can only stay for 90 days in a 180 day period. That somewhat screws up the plans of those Brits that retire to their holiday homes for 6 months in the winter. Yes, the EU rules do, in theory, limit you to 90 days, but by leaving the country for a day trip to Portugal, the clock is reset. As this is impossible to check or enforce, people generally stay as long as they like. The 180 day rule could change this.
Of course, individual EU states can change these rules, as the UK have done in the past, so no doubt Spain will take the pragmatic view (as they often do) that they are happy for the Brits to stay as long as they like, so long as they keep spending money.
We will see.
Feb 14th 2019, 7:41 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
Says the person who’s only contribution to the thread is ‘ Sad’.
At least I speak from a position of having lived in Europe prior to Schengen. What would your experience be? Do you really think it is going to be so hard to move between countries? Have you ever travelled outside of Europe and seen how ridiculously easy it is? Or is your travel limited to Spain Post Schengen?
By the way I am not agreeing with the folk in the video despite their views. And even if I did I wouldn’t be so rude as to call them thick and stupid.
It was a vote and their vote counted.
Things are not set in stone. They change. And as a non EU citizens you will be just a foreigner at the mercy of foreign governments. They might let you stay if you behave. They might kick you out. They might charge you for private health care. They might close their borders for you and guard them with their guns. They might introduce visa for you and limited the number of visas as Switzerland has announced it will do for UK citizens after Brexit. You lost the freedom of movement. That was the vote. Stop whining about it and apply for the proper visa.
Feb 14th 2019, 8:04 pm
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Feb 14th 2019, 8:18 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
This idea that Brits are too valuable for Europe to lose them is exactly what the Brexiteers thought at the beginning of the negotiations and they made a terrible miscalculation . The European Union has shown that it is principles on which it is built that come first. Spain will treat Brits reciprocally. In Other words they will rightly protect the interest of their own nationals abroad in the UK over any financial benefits the Brits bring to spain
Feb 14th 2019, 9:26 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
I lived in Europe prior to the EU honey and I remember traffic jams and long waits on the borders. I also remember the wall that separated my home into two countries. I remember people being shot because they wanted to cross that border.
Things are not set in stone. They change. And as a non EU citizens you will be just a foreigner at the mercy of foreign governments. They might let you stay if you behave. They might kick you out. They might charge you for private health care. They might close their borders for you and guard them with their guns. They might introduce visa for you and limited the number of visas as Switzerland has announced it will do for UK citizens after Brexit. You lost the freedom of movement. That was the vote. Stop whining about it and apply for the proper visa.
Things are not set in stone. They change. And as a non EU citizens you will be just a foreigner at the mercy of foreign governments. They might let you stay if you behave. They might kick you out. They might charge you for private health care. They might close their borders for you and guard them with their guns. They might introduce visa for you and limited the number of visas as Switzerland has announced it will do for UK citizens after Brexit. You lost the freedom of movement. That was the vote. Stop whining about it and apply for the proper visa.
p.s I am not sure that your first sentence has anything to do with Brexit,more like Communism, Democracy, East/West Germany and trust me I also remember it well.
But we really are grasping at straws if you are attempting to compare the two!
Feb 15th 2019, 8:57 am
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
I lived in Europe prior to the EU honey and I remember traffic jams and long waits on the borders. I also remember the wall that separated my home into two countries. I remember people being shot because they wanted to cross that border.
Things are not set in stone. They change. And as a non EU citizens you will be just a foreigner at the mercy of foreign governments. They might let you stay if you behave. They might kick you out. They might charge you for private health care. They might close their borders for you and guard them with their guns. They might introduce visa for you and limited the number of visas as Switzerland has announced it will do for UK citizens after Brexit. You lost the freedom of movement. That was the vote. Stop whining about it and apply for the proper visa.
Things are not set in stone. They change. And as a non EU citizens you will be just a foreigner at the mercy of foreign governments. They might let you stay if you behave. They might kick you out. They might charge you for private health care. They might close their borders for you and guard them with their guns. They might introduce visa for you and limited the number of visas as Switzerland has announced it will do for UK citizens after Brexit. You lost the freedom of movement. That was the vote. Stop whining about it and apply for the proper visa.
I almost get the impression from your posts I've read that you really hate Brits the way you rant on about them. Let Brits worry about their future. No need for you to get your knickers into a twist over Brexit.
Feb 15th 2019, 10:56 am
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
Wonder where you lived having experienced all those traffic jams prior to EU or Schengen? If it was DDR, then it has nothing to do with pre EU. I do not remember traffic jams and borders guarded with guns in pre free movement times other than when crossing into DDR.
I almost get the impression from your posts I've read that you really hate Brits the way you rant on about them. Let Brits worry about their future. No need for you to get your knickers into a twist over Brexit.
I almost get the impression from your posts I've read that you really hate Brits the way you rant on about them. Let Brits worry about their future. No need for you to get your knickers into a twist over Brexit.
With regards to border controlls. I experienced them as recently as 2015/2016 after border controlls were temporarily reintroduced because of the refugee crisis. I also saw border guards with guns. I even see them at airports in the US. I actually think armed guards are fairly common at borders with controls.
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Feb 15th 2019, 10:59 am
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
I believe that in your hurry to knock up an answer you have mistakenly come to the conclusion that I was concerned about the freedom of movement. I am not. Please calm down.
p.s I am not sure that your first sentence has anything to do with Brexit,more like Communism, Democracy, East/West Germany and trust me I also remember it well.
But we really are grasping at straws if you are attempting to compare the two!
Feb 15th 2019, 2:31 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
I certainly remember border posts on the German Netherland border on each side both pre Common Market and post Common Market.. They were armed but then all police were. They also used to stop trains between the 2 Countries at the borders and check passports etc. I seem to think that by the 80s this had stopped or was of a more cursory nature.
Feb 15th 2019, 2:38 pm
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
I certainly remember border posts on the German Netherland border on each side both pre Common Market and post Common Market.. They were armed but then all police were. They also used to stop trains between the 2 Countries at the borders and check passports etc. I seem to think that by the 80s this had stopped or was of a more cursory nature.
Feb 16th 2019, 11:23 am
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Re: Freedom of Movement After 29 March
How right you are 1sexsmith to think that the Spanish believe we Brits. are such good value that they will do anything to keep us here..... as we "spend so much money".Take a look where Brits. spend money,British bars,British restaurants in Benidorm,Torrevieja & Estapona etc. Yes, we do buy property & add to the Spanish economy but an oldie like myself also might need need a new hip or knee replacement soon& there are loads of us in this situation.Some of my family members are Spanish nationals & they are as pleased to welcome all the other nationalities.