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CAROL ELIZABETH May 27th 2010 10:54 pm

Forced completion
 
I did not get anyone answering this on the Ayamonte site - guess they are all so happy there they did not feel they could offer advice to those of us who are less than happy. So I thought I would post my problem on the general Spain site to see if anyone can offer advice.

Some of you on this site will know that we chose not to complete on our Rago 1 apartment for a variety of reasons. Today I received a registered letter formally notifying me that I had to complete on the purchase of my apartment by the the 15th June and if I did not I was warned that MF would proceed with a lawsuit in the courts demanding fulfillment of the contract with the ability to seize assets and revenues of our existing property to force through the completion.

I had asked my solicitors to cancel this contract over a year ago and had effectively walked away. The solicitor says they cannot do this but I am still worried - I cannot afford for anything to affect my home in the UK. Can anyone advise? Is this just scare tactics? They can have my hefty deposit I had given up on it anyway but they cannot have anymore.


Since I posted the question I have spoken to my solicitor who says they cannot force completion or seize property and also had an email from a spanish lawyer who says they can. What exactly is the truth?

big wheels May 27th 2010 11:01 pm

Re: Forced completion
 
I have sent you a pm with a link that may be useful to you.

Good luck.

CAROL ELIZABETH May 28th 2010 10:17 am

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Originally Posted by big wheels (Post 8595637)
I have sent you a pm with a link that may be useful to you.

Good luck.

Thanks Big Wheels - I have registered with that site and I am exploring Spanish lawyers here in the UK

agoreira May 28th 2010 10:43 pm

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Originally Posted by CAROL ELIZABETH (Post 8596856)
Thanks Big Wheels - I have registered with that site and I am exploring Spanish lawyers here in the UK

Not sure what site that is, but you could try this one, David Searl answers questions there, he knows his stuff.
http://www.andalucia.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=41

CAROL ELIZABETH May 29th 2010 12:01 am

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Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 8597770)
Not sure what site that is, but you could try this one, David Searl answers questions there, he knows his stuff.
http://www.andalucia.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=41

Hi

I registered here yesterday but my account is still inactive and I tried doing a search as a guest but could not find anything similar to our situation. But thanks for the advice.

EsuriJohn May 29th 2010 12:53 am

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Originally Posted by CAROL ELIZABETH (Post 8595633)
I did not get anyone answering this on the Ayamonte site - guess they are all so happy there they did not feel they could offer advice to those of us who are less than happy. So I thought I would post my problem on the general Spain site to see if anyone can offer advice.

Some of you on this site will know that we chose not to complete on our Rago 1 apartment for a variety of reasons. Today I received a registered letter formally notifying me that I had to complete on the purchase of my apartment by the the 15th June and if I did not I was warned that MF would proceed with a lawsuit in the courts demanding fulfillment of the contract with the ability to seize assets and revenues of our existing property to force through the completion.

I had asked my solicitors to cancel this contract over a year ago and had effectively walked away. The solicitor says they cannot do this but I am still worried - I cannot afford for anything to affect my home in the UK. Can anyone advise? Is this just scare tactics? They can have my hefty deposit I had given up on it anyway but they cannot have anymore.

Since I posted the question I have spoken to my solicitor who says they cannot force completion or seize property and also had an email from a spanish lawyer who says they can. What exactly is the truth?

Not necessarily happy just that the question is a technical legal one and most of us are not competant or qualified to answer. I have suggested to you before that Maria de Castro who is a Lawyer in the Cadiz Province Andalucia and a specialist in consumer problems particularly related to Spanish property purchase in this Region would be your best advisor.

CAROL ELIZABETH May 29th 2010 2:08 am

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 8597942)
Not necessarily happy just that the question is a technical legal one and most of us are not competant or qualified to answer. I have suggested to you before that Maria de Castro who is a Lawyer in the Cadiz Province Andalucia and a specialist in consumer problems particularly related to Spanish property purchase in this Region would be your best advisor.

Hi John

Actually I have had some good advice from both sites and I have followed up this advice. It may be difficult as things have worked out well for you to understand how awful this has proved to be for us and how urgently we needed to thing it through.

We are the victims here - we tried for nearly 2 years to get an exchange and MF wanted us to pay more for the pleasure of changing locations than houses that were coming on the open market and to take the houses that no one wanted. They very much limited our choice to 3 homes.

I agree we should have moved our solicitor a long time ago and I am sure you are right. However I know one or two others who are with Maria and whilst they have been supported better I am not sure any have managed to resolve the situation either. What I don't know is if they have received the same letter as us - perhaps Maria has managed to prevent it.

It is clear that negligence has taken place in our case, perhaps with others too - I am pleased that other members of this site have been able to offer support and advice - you don't always have to be a solicitor to be supportive.

chrismortley May 29th 2010 2:25 am

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Originally Posted by CAROL ELIZABETH (Post 8598042)
Hi John

Actually I have had some good advice from both sites and I have followed up this advice. It may be difficult as things have worked out well for you to understand how awful this has proved to be for us and how urgently we needed to thing it through.

We are the victims here - we tried for nearly 2 years to get an exchange and MF wanted us to pay more for the pleasure of changing locations than houses that were coming on the open market and to take the houses that no one wanted. They very much limited our choice to 3 homes.

I agree we should have moved our solicitor a long time ago and I am sure you are right. However I know one or two others who are with Maria and whilst they have been supported better I am not sure any have managed to resolve the situation either. What I don't know is if they have received the same letter as us - perhaps Maria has managed to prevent it.

It is clear that negligence has taken place in our case, perhaps with others too - I am pleased that other members of this site have been able to offer support and advice - you don't always have to be a solicitor to be supportive.

I don't know if you still have any Spanish bank accounts,but if still do & have money in them I would get it out A.S.A.P. The powers to be seem to be able to access & withdraw cash when they feel like it out there.
If they have to pursue you through The English Courts ,that sounds a very long drawn out process to me.

cricketman May 29th 2010 2:51 am

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Originally Posted by chrismortley (Post 8598060)
I don't know if you still have any Spanish bank accounts,but if still do & have money in them I would get it out A.S.A.P. The powers to be seem to be able to access & withdraw cash when they feel like it out there.
If they have to pursue you through The English Courts ,that sounds a very long drawn out process to me.

Yes they can.

Someone I know had money taken out of their British bank account for an overdue fine in Spain recently (or it may have been the other way round, a British fine taken out of their Spanish bank account, I cant remember well).

So the border may not help you.

HBG May 29th 2010 2:59 am

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This is a link from a local newspaper where the question is answered by a local solicitor.

http://www.roundtownnews.co.uk/index...3668&Itemid=38

It does sound a bit complicated.

jackytoo May 29th 2010 4:03 am

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I think the best thing to do is to get legal advice in the UK to see what a spanish company can act on in the UK. Many of the spanish lawyers may be scaremongoring as they want about 6000 euro upfront wether they do anything or not. It is ok these spanish lawyers fishing for business on forums but they are not experts on UK law. Many promise you the earth and then do bugger all. In any event they cannot just put a charge on your UK assets without a court case, you can then counter sue for the reasons stated.

chrismortley May 29th 2010 4:23 am

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Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8598104)
Yes they can.

Someone I know had money taken out of their British bank account for an overdue fine in Spain recently (or it may have been the other way round, a British fine taken out of their Spanish bank account, I cant remember well).

So the border may not help you.

Not an expert here ,But I think most of us have had money taken out of the blue from our Spanish bank accounts without any explanation for what ever reason.To the best of my knowledge it hasn't happened to me from any of my UK accounts .

chrismortley May 29th 2010 4:28 am

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 8598175)
I think the best thing to do is to get legal advice in the UK to see what a spanish company can act on in the UK. Many of the spanish lawyers may be scaremongoring as they want about 6000 euro upfront wether they do anything or not. It is ok these spanish lawyers fishing for business on forums but they are not experts on UK law. Many promise you the earth and then do bugger all. In any event they cannot just put a charge on your UK assets without a court case, you can then counter sue for the reasons stated.

This seems sound advice to me.
God forbid the case ever went to court,@ least if it was heard in the UK you would understand what was being said in the proceedings

CAROL ELIZABETH May 29th 2010 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by chrismortley (Post 8598193)
This seems sound advice to me.
God forbid the case ever went to court,@ least if it was heard in the UK you would understand what was being said in the proceedings

I have found a UK based Spanish lawyer who thinks he is able to help - knows the circumstances and even the solicitors concerned.

Loco May 29th 2010 1:08 pm

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Bottom line is that CC 1504 probably applies and if you fail to complete MF will sue you and will peruse any assets you have in the UK.

I and others tried to help you for over two years on a pro bono basis but you did not listen.

Trust me you now need to instruct a decent specialist lawyer and you need to do so quickly.

Best

Loco


MF

Originally Posted by CAROL ELIZABETH (Post 8595633)
I did not get anyone answering this on the Ayamonte site - guess they are all so happy there they did not feel they could offer advice to those of us who are less than happy. So I thought I would post my problem on the general Spain site to see if anyone can offer advice.

Some of you on this site will know that we chose not to complete on our Rago 1 apartment for a variety of reasons. Today I received a registered letter formally notifying me that I had to complete on the purchase of my apartment by the the 15th June and if I did not I was warned that MF would proceed with a lawsuit in the courts demanding fulfillment of the contract with the ability to seize assets and revenues of our existing property to force through the completion.

I had asked my solicitors to cancel this contract over a year ago and had effectively walked away. The solicitor says they cannot do this but I am still worried - I cannot afford for anything to affect my home in the UK. Can anyone advise? Is this just scare tactics? They can have my hefty deposit I had given up on it anyway but they cannot have anymore.


Since I posted the question I have spoken to my solicitor who says they cannot force completion or seize property and also had an email from a spanish lawyer who says they can. What exactly is the truth?



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